mardigras Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 59 minutes ago, Thomass said: It's simply counterintuitive to think Jammie would insert VB's without thoroughly trialling said neddys first Along with all the trainers of those last start winners getting blinkers on first time. And running like a goat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Look you've been done like a dinner over this You actify your stats...to include 'all starts within 2L' crap crap I do actual 'form analysis'...You may have heard about it Some have excuses... others don't and need help...I don't invest on those Leaf had superior form in Australia...Haysey helped him even further with gear that he thought would make the neddy go even faster I added a Unit...what's the big deal trusting Haysey with a Unit...after eight units? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 What a load of bollocks as usual. You do post race analysis which is why you can NEVER say which ones are going to benefit from blinkers on, before the race. You tried it on race chat. All losers. You even tried it pre race before last year's Karaka 2yo. And looked stupid. Put some up pre race loser. Don't bother with more post race bullshit. I'm not interested in it. As it proves you're a fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 5 hours ago, mardigras said: What a load of bollocks as usual. You do post race analysis which is why you can NEVER say which ones are going to benefit from blinkers on, before the race. You tried it on race chat. All losers. You even tried it pre race before last year's Karaka 2yo. And looked stupid. Put some up pre race loser. Don't bother with more post race bullshit. I'm not interested in it. As it proves you're a fraud. Go on... wack a Peter Posa record on for old time sake... 2 of the favourites get Visors on and you stupidly think the Trainer believes they won't help them go faster? A $M reason to make sure they will assist I would have thought.... Ive never suggested Punters solely invest on Blinkers applied...unless the value is well overs...my niche probably @5% Take the last yesterday...an up and comer...raced well in strong 3yo company ..back to mid weak...added 1unit for Winkers going on...and 2 for the Home course I trust the trainer...and I trust Home course improvement 90% of the time After doing superior form analysis...8 units...wtf is the prob with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) After doing superior form analysis...8 units...wtf is the prob with that? For this sideline observer, Thomass, the problem is that "it's easy to look a cow in the arse from behind" ..or find a winner when the results are out. Funny peculiar that you NEVER publicly declare your value tips from your fine theories (and there are many of them) BEFORE a race ...hence your knowledge is viewed cautiously/cynically/ and at times derisively by the other form analysts on this site. and it will remain that way until you 'put up'... Edited February 4, 2019 by Weasel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Weasel I miss your mustelid pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 56 minutes ago, Weasel said: After doing superior form analysis...8 units...wtf is the prob with that? For this sideline observer, Thomass, the problem is that "it's easy to look a cow in the arse from behind" ..or find a winner when the results are out. Funny peculiar that you NEVER publicly declare your value tips from your fine theories (and there are many of them) BEFORE a race ...hence your knowledge is viewed cautiously/cynically/ and at times derisively by the other form analysts on this site. and it will remain that way until you 'put up'... This has been done to death Wes... Im sorry you couldnt be screwed reading the sermon at the time... Suffice to say it was a TIPPING MASTERCLASS...ask Bazz...he was so dumbstruck he did an expert impression of a Carmelite nun... Not to mention showing my actual account...turning 2 hundy into 10k on a boring Friday... after intolerable trolling from the resident troller Mcfly... It may pay to sleep with your eyes wide open in future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandpiper Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 49 minutes ago, Thomass said: 2 of the favourites get Visors on and you stupidly think the Trainer believes they won't help them go faster? A $M reason to make sure they will assist I would have thought.... Thanks for the appeal to probability, and so eloquently put to boot. The sad thing is, these are valuable questions. Does the expected return$ to connections (e.g. Probabeel was $4.00 SP = 25% X $1m = $250k) have an impact on the success of first time application of headgear? What is the variance within that for individual trainers? But there is no sane debate to be had here: 7 hours ago, Thomass said: Look you've been done like a dinner over this You actify your stats...to include 'all starts within 2L' crap crap I do actual 'form analysis'...You may have heard about it I know a troll when I see one, this post is purely to encourage others to give up the thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Weasel said: After doing superior form analysis...8 units...wtf is the prob with that? For this sideline observer, Thomass, the problem is that "it's easy to look a cow in the arse from behind" ..or find a winner when the results are out. Funny peculiar that you NEVER publicly declare your value tips from your fine theories (and there are many of them) BEFORE a race ...hence your knowledge is viewed cautiously/cynically/ and at times derisively by the other form analysts on this site. and it will remain that way until you 'put up'... This is spot on. The topic has been done to death for sure. All those posts on a topic that one poster claims is the best thing since sliced bread. And yet, not one post on this site with a selection matching it pre race. Just a whole bunch after they have won. The poster is a fraud. Edited February 4, 2019 by mardigras 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Thomass said: 2 of the favourites get Visors on and you stupidly think the Trainer believes they won't help them go faster? A $M reason to make sure they will assist I would have thought.... You mean like O'Reilly Cyrus getting blinkers on first time in the Karaka Million as the 2nd fav. And you raved about it (along with your raving of the hot fav). Both smashed. It's hilarious that every horse you actually have ever put up with blinkers on first time. Not a single one of them has won. But they do alright after the races when you post them. Even on this site, 1 horse that you actually put up pre race with blinkers on first time. Loser. Not bad. This thread has shown you up to be a fraud. Anyone claiming the things you do would easily put some selections up pre race. The fact you don't is very telling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Considering the last 10 runnings of this race have thrown up 6 winners wearing Winkers/Blinkers first time... Id be calling that a SENSATIONAL gear move for 2yo's needing them Including Melody Belle at 32's Sometimes you just have to trust the trainer that he's right...and you ain't got a freaken clue snowflake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 More post race stats I see. Can you do this pre race. Post race is just bollocks. You do that well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, mardigras said: More post race stats I see. Can you do this pre race. Post race is just bollocks. You do that well. Do something interesting for a change Load your hero worshipping Grub Weir into the machine...and try to find out what the Pavlovs Dog gear change activator for the Jigger was thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 And then you had the extraordinary performance from MISS FEDERER BLINKERS FIRST TIME I wonder if wee curious is going to ask "prove they made her go faster" Ffs...you just can't help some people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 53 minutes ago, Thomass said: And then you had the extraordinary performance from MISS FEDERER BLINKERS FIRST TIME I wonder if wee curious is going to ask "prove they made her go faster" Ffs...you just can't help some people... Prove they made her go faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, curious said: Prove they made her go faster. He can't prove anything. Just pulls shit out of his backside. It's all speculation. There is no evidence she ran faster, and if there was, I'd be more inclined to say it was because of Lisa Allpress. The horse may just run better for her. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Let's see.... 1.15.73 at HQ 1.10.47 at NP Yup, she went faster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 14 hours ago, Thomass said: Let's see.... 1.15.73 at HQ 1.10.47 at NP Yup, she went faster On your simple basis then, she ran faster every other start. Since per 100m, she was faster in every start than she was in the last one. Which I would say means she was running faster. So, no, she didn't run FASTER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Comparing a dog leg 'straight' 1000... ...with her 'wide without cover' around bends onya...next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) Like you comparing a race where the horse had given up with a race where it hadn't. Next. And I hope you don't consider those times 'proof'. That's proof that Lisa Allpress made her run faster than the start before then. Give us proof, not supposition. Edited February 5, 2019 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 23 hours ago, Thomass said: Considering the last 10 runnings of this race have thrown up 6 winners wearing Winkers/Blinkers first time... Id be calling that a SENSATIONAL gear move for 2yo's needing them Including Melody Belle at 32's Sometimes you just have to trust the trainer that he's right...and you ain't got a freaken clue snowflake Id be calling that a SENSATIONAL gear move for 2yo's needing them I'd be calling that a common tactic of a hopeful trainer.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 56 minutes ago, Thomass said: Comparing a dog leg 'straight' 1000... ...with her 'wide without cover' around bends onya...next I would have thought if she won 'wide without cover' would be a better form guide than not winning. Would it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 This thread is where all the trouble started Chief. If it was me, i would delete it, nothing good has come of it. Not surprising who is involved, although i see curious is nowhere to be seen, and others have left the site, mainly because of this shit thread. I now see you post on this thread chief, trying to form a bridge between others, but trust me, it wont get any better. Move it to the vent, then the 2 or 3 that post on it, can argue amongst themselves 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Jeez guys... Its widely accepted hers was THE best run of the day Concentrating her little cotton pick'n mind on the job...then headed... ...and came again With Allpress admitting it was a "shocking ride" Sometimes one merely has to observe a performance than to try and compare times on different courses ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 3 hours ago, mardigras said: 17 hours ago, Thomass said: Let's see.... 1.15.73 at HQ 1.10.47 at NP Yup, she went faster On your simple basis then, 17 hours ago, Thomass said: Let's see.... 1.15.73 at HQ 1.10.47 at NP Yup, she went faster Geez Thomass..you really think the Visors alone made 5 secs of difference?... the stipes report from HQ makes it clear she didnt want to hit out amongst other horses towards the rear...what made the diff was the quality of the oppn (weaker at np); and going forward (not back), where she clearly likes to be. And the much slower time at HQ surely included the fact that she was not ridden out the last 200m (her last 600 in 38:01 cf 34:89 from Chall 2nd-last). THATS THREE SECONDS SLOWER THAN THE 2ND LAST HORSE. Look at the HQ video..she gave up and was tailed off early in the run home after Probabeel left her standing. No wonder she ran nearly 1:16 Restrained from wide barrier, forced wide passing 450m and soon after commenced to give ground rider advising that after being ridden back from wide draw had raced greenly and felt reluctant to hit out amongst other runners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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