idea to increase turnover

[the galah]

I've explained before why i think its obvious the most important factor in turnover,above all else on any nz harness race, is the timeslots allocated and the pre race coverage on the main australian sky racing channel.

Last night yet again proved what i say to be accurate.

Addington ran 13 races,but tabcorop,who control the sky racing coverage only had betting on the first 12.

I'm not sure whether that is a software thing with them,that they can only go up to 12 races.

But because they had no sky australian coverage of the last race,the betting on that race on tabcorp was obviously non existant race and the betting on the nz/entain pool,which of course included the australian states that commingled with the nz pools,well the nz tote pools on the last race were rather abysmal..

The aussies betting into the nz commingled pools wouldn't have even got to see the final leg of the quaddie/treble.

now last night ,for some reason,1 addington race half way through the card had a larger gap of 5 minutes until it being next race to go,with the preceding race being an australian trot race starting 5 minutes before addington.And what happened because of the extra lead in time,well both the nz pools and the tabcorp pools were double what you get even on the normal 3 race minute gap. And 5 times the size of many of the races that had only a 1 minute timeslot gap,especially the aussie tabcorp pools.

So what should HRNZ together with entain be doing to generate a big turnover race.

doesn't it seem obvious?

what is the other thing that attracts large scale betting pools.... answer jackpotting first 4's.

So what i suggest they do is take 10% out of every first 4 that jackpots throughout the week on nz harness races and put that money each week into the race at addington with the best pre race coverage timeslot(generally occurs around the 4-6p.m. australian timeframe).

It has to be primarily jackpotting first 4 funded,not guaranteed first 4,because its the jackpotting pools that ensure a better than normal % payout. Sure they can do a guaranteed pool,but the jackpotting part is important for punters returns.

some weeks you may only get jackpotting pools of $10,000 being injected,but on a week like when methven had their big pools you could start off with a jackpotted pool of up to $50,000.

The aussies love to bet into those jackpotting pools and just imagine what they would do on a race with decent pre race exposure time on sky racing. closing pools similar or higher to the hige methven pool wouid be generated.

its all about the timeslot andcombining that with a pool that has good jackpotting money in it.

It would only be a one off each and they would need to have the pool size on the trackside screen.

Its a guaranteed way of increasing turnover.

They could do the same on a firday night with one trifecta race at auckland on the race with their best timeslot.

Edited October 18, 2024 by the galah

[the galah]

Today just another day where turnovers proved what i say above,is a guaranteed way of getting large pools.

Just identify the races with the best timeslots for the day on sky racing,then combine that with the jackpotting money that has been set aside from the week prior as i suggested above,and then you get the bigger pools.Today had high class races added to the  formula,which  makes it even better,but while helpful,isn't essential.

today,the races with the jackpots on tabcorp,which had good timeslots,saw a first 4 jump from $4,000 carry forward to become $15,000 and a trfifecta go from $882 jackpot to $6,000.

Tabcoorp quaddie pools are next to nothing,so because they have nothing to jackpot,quaddies don't interest tabcorp punters..

The nz tab had the later quaddie with $8,000 jackpot, go to $58,000.It had a first 4 with a jackpot of $4562 become $25,836.

The highest first 4  final pools were on different races for tabcorp and the nz tab,but both races had the essential  high sky racing exposure element i talk about.

Its a sure thing formula.

Just do what i suggested in my original post.

i believe it should be applied to just one such race each week with a starting jackpot of say $30,000 would become at the very least in the low hundreds of thousands each time if promoted properly and if run at a consistent appropriate timeslot each week.My guess would be it would incrase turnover around $10million a year on harness racing.Of course the returns to harness racing would be good as  then tab and taborp % take out for exotic bets like first 4's and trifectas is one of the highest.

Whether people are interested in what i'm saying,i don't know,possibly not,but i know from observing these pools that im right.

And after all,isn't turnover supposed to be important.

Edited October 28, 2024 by the galah

[TAB For Ever]

2 hours ago, the galah said:

Today just another day where turnovers proved what i say above,is a guaranteed way of getting large pools.

Just identify the races with the best timeslots for the day on sky racing,then combine that with the jackpotting money that has been set aside from the week prior as i suggested above,and then you get the bigger pools.Today had high class races added to the  formula,which  makes it even better,but while helpful,isn't essential.

today,the races with the jackpots on tabcorp,which had good timeslots,saw a first 4 jump from $4,000 carry forward to become $15,000 and a trfifecta go from $882 jackpot to $6,000.

Tabcoorp quaddie pools are next to nothing,so because they have nothing to jackpot,quaddies don't interest tabcorp punters..

The nz tab had the later quaddie with $8,000 jackpot, go to $58,000.It had a first 4 with a jackpot of $4562 become $25,836.

The highest first 4  final pools were on different races for tabcorp and the nz tab,but both races had the essential  high sky racing exposure element i talk about.

Its a sure thing formula.

Just do what i suggested in my original post.

i believe it should be applied to just one such race each week with a starting jackpot of say $30,000 would become at the very least in the low hundreds of thousands each time if promoted properly and if run at a consistent appropriate timeslot each week.My guess would be it would incrase turnover around $10million a year on harness racing.Of course the returns to harness racing would be good as  then tab and taborp % take out for exotic bets like first 4's and trifectas is one of the highest.

Whether people are interested in what i'm saying,i don't know,possibly not,but i know from observing these pools that im right.

And after all,isn't turnover supposed to be important.

This explanation and logic should be passed on to Entain boss and Harness enthusiast Dean Shannon ,owner of Merlin among others .

It likely to be of interest to him.

[the galah]

On 28/10/2024 at 8:56 PM, the galah said:

Today just another day where turnovers proved what i say above,is a guaranteed way of getting large pools.

Just identify the races with the best timeslots for the day on sky racing,then combine that with the jackpotting money that has been set aside from the week prior as i suggested above,and then you get the bigger pools.Today had high class races added to the  formula,which  makes it even better,but while helpful,isn't essential.

today,the races with the jackpots on tabcorp,which had good timeslots,saw a first 4 jump from $4,000 carry forward to become $15,000 and a trfifecta go from $882 jackpot to $6,000.

Tabcoorp quaddie pools are next to nothing,so because they have nothing to jackpot,quaddies don't interest tabcorp punters..

The nz tab had the later quaddie with $8,000 jackpot, go to $58,000.It had a first 4 with a jackpot of $4562 become $25,836.

The highest first 4  final pools were on different races for tabcorp and the nz tab,but both races had the essential  high sky racing exposure element i talk about.

Its a sure thing formula.

Just do what i suggested in my original post.

i believe it should be applied to just one such race each week with a starting jackpot of say $30,000 would become at the very least in the low hundreds of thousands each time if promoted properly and if run at a consistent appropriate timeslot each week.My guess would be it would incrase turnover around $10million a year on harness racing.Of course the returns to harness racing would be good as  then tab and taborp % take out for exotic bets like first 4's and trifectas is one of the highest.

Whether people are interested in what i'm saying,i don't know,possibly not,but i know from observing these pools that im right.

And after all,isn't turnover supposed to be important.

that race just run at auckland.Race 7.

a 6 horse field.So a poor betting race because of field size.

That was reflected in the win,place,quinella and trifecta pools. All pools were lower than you got on any of the previous 6 races run.

but what did race 7  have. It had a jackpotting first 4.

race 6 had a carry forward jackpot of $3688.That first 4 was not struck which resulted in a pool 4x the norm for the night in race 6,eventually being $18,292.

Well that first 4 was not struck and the $18,292 was carried forward into race 7.

So what did the first 4 on race 7 end up as

$80,155.

Thats on a race with only 6 runners. The first 4 pool for that 1 race was about the same as the other 15 harness first 4's on races run in nz combined today.

imagine if race 7 at auckland had  8 to 10 runners. How much would it have got to then?

winton today had a $2600 first 4 jackpot carry forward turn into over $18,000.

both the jackpot races i refer to had timeslots in what i call the ideal timeslot window to capture australian punter participation.Its that australian market that is your target audience to maximise what is invested on jackpotting first 4's(and jackpotting trifectas).

Its over a year since i posted my original topic.

if harness racing worked with entain to implement changes to enable them to do as i suggested, i calculate its reasonable to expect they could easily generate an extra 5-10 million in turnover in first 4's alone annually. That would mean they could recieve from the takeouts,an extra 1.2-2 million in revenue.

as i have said ,they could also do the same with a targeted trfecta jackpot race in the right timeslot each week.

Then if they did what i said as far as directing the starters to make sure they eek an extra 30-seconds to 1 minute after they have been given the all clear,before they turn them in,(i have suggested how they should do that previously to ensure they don't lose any trackside coverage -in effect getting more). 

so if they did that as well,they could increase all their normal  pools easily by between 5-10% on every race.

i'm not talking rocket science,its so simple to, just do as i suggest. Then you would get several million more in revenue for the industry from turnover.

 

Edited 8 hours ago by the galah