Bill Posted Sunday at 11:02 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:02 PM https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360529059/who-punched-who-assault-greyhound-racetrack-caught-video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted Sunday at 11:57 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:57 PM Interesting. I reckon it was from 8 Feb 2024. https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/15786/stewards-report.aspx Seems odd that the RIB didn't at least open & adjourn an investigation into the matter. Isn't that why the RIB is there in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 12:03 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:03 AM 5 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: Seems odd that the RIB didn't at least open & adjourn an investigation into the matter. Isn't that why the RIB is there in the first place? Why? The protester was trespassing. The Police didn't file charges. Quite frankly the protester got all he deserved. Imagine the meal you would have made if one of the dogs had returned a positive? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racinggreys Posted yesterday at 12:29 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:29 AM 1 hour ago, Bill said: https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360529059/who-punched-who-assault-greyhound-racetrack-caught-video Wow, irrespective of the incident. Paula Penfold is the last person we need involved again. It's her who dropped the surprise on Jim Leach in the middle of in interview about the burnt dogs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted yesterday at 12:45 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:45 AM (edited) I think GRNZ have let the industry down. The questions to me about this incident are how did two unlicensed people gain entry, and I thought New Zealand law allowed for self defence and protection of property so, why do the unlicensed in a licensed area have the upper hand? Too many weak people involved. Edited yesterday at 12:46 AM by Special Agent 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted yesterday at 04:39 AM Share Posted yesterday at 04:39 AM 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: The Police didn't file charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 05:00 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:00 AM 20 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: But suddenly, in October, Hancock was advised by his lawyer that the charges had been withdrawn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted yesterday at 05:09 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:09 AM 3 hours ago, Special Agent said: I think GRNZ have let the industry down. That's been my opinion forever, far to many years (and reviews) of being all words and only reactive. Just as guilty are the RIU/JCA, now the RIB. People are going to do what they do. If they do something that is out of line, they should be held to account. If the rules are ignored for some participants & not others, then it's an issue. If one trainer gets fined for an Arsenic positive swab & another under the exact same circumstances (chewing on treated timber) gets a fine but has it fully suspended for one year, then it's an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted yesterday at 05:10 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:10 AM 9 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: But suddenly, in October, Hancock was advised by his lawyer that the charges had been withdrawn... Your claim was "The Police didn't file charges." The police did fine charges. They later dropped them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 05:44 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:44 AM 32 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: Your claim was "The Police didn't file charges." The police did fine charges. They later dropped them. I don't think @Yankiwi you are in a position to nit pick. All the best in your crusade retirement. Will you be taking on 6 retired greyhounds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 05:47 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:47 AM 36 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: That's been my opinion forever, far to many years (and reviews) of being all words and only reactive. Just as guilty are the RIU/JCA, now the RIB. People are going to do what they do. If they do something that is out of line, they should be held to account. If the rules are ignored for some participants & not others, then it's an issue. If one trainer gets fined for an Arsenic positive swab & another under the exact same circumstances (chewing on treated timber) gets a fine but has it fully suspended for one year, then it's an issue. Geez @Yankiwi we've done this particular chestnut of yours to death. Get over it. Each case is different hence different penalties. Rightly or wrongly it happens every day in the Higher Courts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted yesterday at 01:57 PM Share Posted yesterday at 01:57 PM Who is going to bother collecting fines once the industry is closed? Really, who cares? Just like who cares about what happens to the people in the industry. There's more fuss about the fate of the dogs. Trainers are going to keep a few and rehome the rest. How will they pay to feed those retired greyhounds without an income? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago Those wanker activists need to be dealt with violently. Trainers need to arm themselves with a bat or two and break some sculls, time for appeasement to end. If it meant jail, so be it, these scum have ruined your lives, time to front up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 59 minutes ago, aquaman said: Those wanker activists need to be dealt with violently. Trainers need to arm themselves with a bat or two and break some sculls, time for appeasement to end. If it meant jail, so be it, these scum have ruined your lives, time to front up. Really? Isn't it a decade of warnings and inaction from the industry that has done that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 12 minutes ago, curious said: Really? Isn't it a decade of warnings and inaction from the industry that has done that? Inaction about what specifically? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Inaction about what specifically? Fatality rates and public perception particularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 5 minutes ago, curious said: Fatality rates They are what they are. My research suggests that there is a natural attrition rate that can't be altered. 7 minutes ago, curious said: public perception The perception of the general public that a Greyhound is just like the pet they have at home which incidentally 80% treat abysmally. Over 50% of those "pets" are overweight or obese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: They are what they are. My research suggests that there is a natural attrition rate that can't be altered. If that's the case, then it's a lost cause. 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The perception of the general public that a Greyhound is just like the pet they have at home which incidentally 80% treat abysmally. Over 50% of those "pets" are overweight or obese. Maybe, but if that perception is wrong, the industry has done nothing to change it. Horse racing is headed down the same track imo. Edited 15 hours ago by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago Where are the Dog Crusaders tackling this problem? There you go @Yankiwi something to get your teeth into! Imagine the uproar if 11 dogs died a day on Greyhound tracks! Auckland Council is sounding the alarm as more dogs are being put down than at any time in the past decade. Staff euthanised 4007 dogs in the 2023-24 financial year - an average of 11 a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 1 minute ago, curious said: Maybe, but if that perception is wrong, the industry has done nothing to change it. How can you change a perception when most dog owners are abusing their own dogs? 2 minutes ago, curious said: Horse racing is headed down the same track imo. Maybe. Certainly you are not helping just as @Yankiwi 's crusade hasn't helped. I reaslise you both had a late life epiphany and now want to atone for your decades of racing participation but please just sign up to your local Church and confess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: They are what they are. My research suggests that there is a natural attrition rate that can't be altered. And they've altered it significantly in Victoria. “Last financial year’s 43 fatalities represented 0.039 per cent of the 110,422 starters in Victorian greyhound racing, down from 69 (0.068 per cent) in 2019-20. “With over 110,000 starters in about 15,000 races in Victoria annually, fatalities and serious injuries in racing are rare.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Where are the Dog Crusaders tackling this problem? There you go @Yankiwi something to get your teeth into! Imagine the uproar if 11 dogs died a day on Greyhound tracks! Auckland Council is sounding the alarm as more dogs are being put down than at any time in the past decade. Staff euthanised 4007 dogs in the 2023-24 financial year - an average of 11 a day. I think you'll find the public perception wrt dogs used as pets and dogs used for entertainment and commercial purposes is not the same. So it's apples and oranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 5 minutes ago, curious said: If that's the case, then it's a lost cause. Why is it a lost cause? 100% of Greyhounds that race have a healthier life than more than half of the dogs people call loved "pets". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 7 minutes ago, curious said: And they've altered it significantly in Victoria. “Last financial year’s 43 fatalities represented 0.039 per cent of the 110,422 starters in Victorian greyhound racing, down from 69 (0.068 per cent) in 2019-20. “With over 110,000 starters in about 15,000 races in Victoria annually, fatalities and serious injuries in racing are rare.” Explain this years "sharp spike" in deaths? I thought as a University researcher you wouldn't be prone to cherry picking statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Why is it a lost cause? Because it's been deemed unacceptable by the public and the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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