Chief Stipe Posted 7 hours ago Author Share Posted 7 hours ago 27 minutes ago, Special Agent said: Trainers shouldn't be forced out of their area to get a run, nor should they have to run on tracks they don't want to. It depends upon how many starts you give each horse in a campaign too. Are you serious? What do you determine as the area that a Trainer should be forced to run in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 6 hours ago Author Share Posted 6 hours ago 30 minutes ago, Special Agent said: Like beating the old familiar drum, a lot of this could be solved by decent programming. So 7 meetings in 4 months is too much for Otaki? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 6 hours ago Author Share Posted 6 hours ago 20 minutes ago, Special Agent said: Kumara, Cromwell and Tauherenikau have good days with good turnovers. A club could be financially viable with just 1, 2 or 3 days with the right circumstances They may have good turnovers but obviously the track manager will have to be a volunteer or part time at best and would need to borrow the tools for the job from some local farmers. Well THAT approach has proven to fail hasn't it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 6 hours ago Author Share Posted 6 hours ago 23 minutes ago, Special Agent said: The number of meetings is the same, dependent on what days you are allocated. Three meetings close together, or in the winter might not work but if your track is picking up the slack from the abandoned meetings it is definitely going to suffer. Rubbish. How many meetings have been abandoned? How many of those meetings have had the full number of races transferred to another location? How many meetings to Otaki pick up that weren't planned that caused them to fail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assange Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 5 hours ago, Special Agent said: There's an example of any amount of walking the track, jumpouts and trials being quite different to race day. The track had the clean bill of health from all concerned before a disastrous return to racing. Do the stipes walk the track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 6 hours ago Author Share Posted 6 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Assange said: Do the stipes walk the track? Only to look for slip marks AFTER a horse has slipped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 35 minutes ago, Assange said: Do the stipes walk the track? Wouldn't know about every track but, have been early enough to some lower north island meetings to see Stipes on the track. I couldn't guarantee they walk right around because I haven't watched them for long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 3 hours ago, Special Agent said: I don't think you can cut corners You definitely can't if they've moved the rail out in the way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 49 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Are you serious? What do you determine as the area that a Trainer should be forced to run in? Well who wants to clock up $500+ on a float from Cambridge to Otaki for example. FFS, northern horses travel south for trials because they are eliminated from grass track trials. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago Chief, methinks you are just picking to argue now. Many tracks and clubs have picked up extra meetings in Central to accommodate abandoned meetings and tracks closed for remedial work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago Time out. You two, Chief Stipe and Special Agent are carrying on like Maxwell Smart and his boss. You two can decide who is who and odds on neither of you two will agree. Fact 1 The tracks are not up to handling regular racing Fact 2 The people currently in charge are incapable of dealing with the problem Fact 3 The problem is not going to sort itself out. Raging about what should have been done does not solve Fact 4 Tinkering with minor adjustments to the calendar and where races are held does not cure the problem. Fact 5 The Industry requires a major adjustment to the calendar, where races are held, when, who (tracks) get major renovation, who (tracks) get reinstated, brought back into the racing Industry, e.g. Foxton and above all a guarantee that funds will be provided to annually maintain those tracks. WHY; because the lack of guaranteed funds towards track maintenance is the reason we are in this mess. Fact 6 Agree on fact 5 and within a year most of the problems are solved 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 3 hours ago Author Share Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, Wingman said: WHY; because the lack of guaranteed funds towards track maintenance is the reason we are in this mess. Agree. It isn't because we don't have enough tracks its because we haven't looked after the ones we had and still have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Agree. It isn't because we don't have enough tracks its because we haven't looked after the ones we had and still have. I agree too. If you read the Messara report, he recommended that along with the track closures over 6 years, that NZTR needed to spend $90 million on upgrading the remaining tracks during that time. That's probably $120 million now with increased costs. They got a slush of money from the Entain deal but there is still no sign of anything like the necessary investment, and that additional funding for the remainder of the guarantee period is now all committed to stakes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 56 minutes ago, curious said: I agree too. If you read the Messara report, he recommended that along with the track closures over 6 years, that NZTR needed to spend $90 million on upgrading the remaining tracks during that time. That's probably $120 million now with increased costs. They got a slush of money from the Entain deal but there is still no sign of anything like the necessary investment, and that additional funding for the remainder of the guarantee period is now all committed to stakes. Most never read the M report ,they just were anti it ! Some definitely missed the paragraph where he said NZ didn't have one decent track...not one ! At least since then Ellerslie have forked out their own money to get their track up to standard.....seems to be getting better by the month ! Good on em ! NZTR has track improvement 'top of mind ' in their strategic plan. The Waikato Greenfields project would be great for the future......hopefully a sale of Avondale will see some dollars go that way ! Overall some fantastic racing around the world at weekend. Ellerslie of course...come on admit it .....don't focus on the price of hotdogs or the stop/start tactics of jockeys ,Ellerslie better by the month ! And there was Mr Brightside , Mike Moroney etc showing their stuff in Melbourne. And the Saudi Cup ...with kiwi content....world's richest race. No doubt they had a choice , and run the race on Dirt in front of Winston too ! He heard murmuring ......Maybe i'll give the perennial keyboard warriors some ammo by building a couple of them Dirt tracks. Maybe climate change etc will demand it ! Some of the worlds best horses and horse people racing on dirt / synthetic tracks. Now there is an idea.....no doubt he saw the South Island horses running around for $50 k on a Sunday and states the Doomed logic....would get the same field for $20k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted 59 minutes ago Share Posted 59 minutes ago 33 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: At least since then Ellerslie have forked out their own money to get their track up to standard.....seems to be getting better by the month ! Good on em ! 33 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: Some definitely missed the paragraph where he said NZ didn't have one decent track...not one ! We still don't have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 45 minutes ago Share Posted 45 minutes ago 45 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: Now there is an idea.....no doubt he saw the South Island horses running around for $50 k on a Sunday and states the Doomed logic....would get the same field for $20k. Exactly my point! And then there would be another 250k to fix the tracks, and it might generate enough revenue to pay for the stakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 9 minutes ago Share Posted 9 minutes ago 2 hours ago, curious said: I agree too. If you read the Messara report, he recommended that along with the track closures over 6 years, that NZTR needed to spend $90 million on upgrading the remaining tracks during that time. That's probably $120 million now with increased costs. They got a slush of money from the Entain deal but there is still no sign of anything like the necessary investment, and that additional funding for the remainder of the guarantee period is now all committed to stakes. Correction. The above should have read $190m and $220m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 1 minute ago Share Posted 1 minute ago (edited) 57 minutes ago, Trojan said: We still don't have one. Exactly. To quote Messara directly "New Zealand does not have one track with a high-quality racing surface." Edited 1 minute ago by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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