Three Meetings On A Sunday

[Nowornever]

Would this be the worst case of programming so far this year?

I think all it will do is spread the normal amount of money spent at one or two meetings on a Sunday between the three meetings and therefore lower the pools at each venue.

It will be interesting to see the tote figures in few weeks and see if this is indeed the case.

[Brodie]

12 hours ago, Nowornever said:

Would this be the worst case of programming so far this year?

I think all it will do is spread the normal amount of money spent at one or two meetings on a Sunday between the three meetings and therefore lower the pools at each venue.

It will be interesting to see the tote figures in few weeks and see if this is indeed the case.

Seems like a programming stuff up on the face of it!

You are correct the turnover will not be any better than if there were only one or teo meetings.

Palmy will continue to lose money for the industry but that is all good.

Tonights meeting at Addington seems a hard one to find value?

Edited Thursday at 09:14 PM by Brodie

[Midfrew]

Hey guys, this is the Palmy Festival of Racing Weekend.  Sadly, Awapuni is racing at Trentham with the Gold Cup and Sires Produce.  MHRC asked for the date for its Palmerston North Festival Cup and HRNZ happily obliged. 4.50pm start due to Trackside commitments during the day. Result supporting local initiative and racing in the CD with 7 races and 61 horses. Tuesday 73 noms.

[Gammalite]

Probably a good thing , as the enthusiast who might be listening from home around the country (and even Oz) don't have to wait half hour between races and get bored and go do something else.( like turn on the footy or something)

Instead they might enjoy 10 minute gap between the trots racing ( like Australia has had for years and several days a week even) and place a few bets and stay tuned in to the action. Might even do it myself  🤔when usually don't bother (with nearly all the good racing being on Friday nights) .

who is gunna sit around half hour between races these days  ? Good to see some Sunday genius at work there at last. Should be 3 Nz trot meetings EVERY Sunday.  would help get the 'horse racing numbers ' UP again too.  possibly more young drivers would get a better deal too and get some more drives . 

 

Edited Friday at 03:10 AM by Gammalite

[Nowornever]

6 hours ago, Brodie said:

Seems like a programming stuff up on the face of it!

You are correct the turnover will not be any better than if there were only one or teo meetings.

Palmy will continue to lose money for the industry but that is all good.

Tonights meeting at Addington seems a hard one to find value?

There might be a few BK Dawn place types for you to unload on brodster. Stick to those trotting races tonight for value.

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, Nowornever said:

There might be a few BK Dawn place types for you to unload on brodster. Stick to those trotting races tonight for value.

The punters will be leaving Addington in droves when well supported trotters like Paramount Picture at $1.50 can't even trot. Like in race 2. Pretty embarrassing stuff being turned out by South Island harness racing lately. 

[Nowornever]

Worst part about the races tonight are the pathetically slow dividends appearing after the race.  

No kidding it is fucking woeful.

[Brodie]

54 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

The punters will be leaving Addington in droves when well supported trotters like Paramount Picture at $1.50 can't even trot. Like in race 2. Pretty embarrassing stuff being turned out by South Island harness racing lately. 

To be fair it was far too short and was not worth the risk as it had shown it was pretty green.

Better to bet against it

[Brodie]

2 minutes ago, Nowornever said:

Worst part about the races tonight are the pathetically slow dividends appearing after the race.  

No kidding it is fucking woeful.

Fixed Odds the only way to bet now with the poor tote pools.

Always know what I am collecting

[Gammalite]

3 hours ago, Brodie said:

To be fair it was far too short and was not worth the risk as it had shown it was pretty green.

Better to bet against it

Very rarely bet against Allstars.

Was tempted to bet against them tonight by PINSEEKER , who I thought would lead. and then cruise in.  But Jonny Cox woosed out completely, and the 'Rakero' horse took the lead instead. 

But along came ALLstars Mark at $26 and $4.80 Sportsbet with CHASE A DREAM for an easy win. Got a good trip after skittling 'Little Spike' out of the one one sit .😁  Bit naughty by Mark there at the first corner ? young Crystal squeezed like a lemon..should of backed him at those odds lol . He (Chase A Dream)  might be the same next week in the Betcha Mile too. and some chance I spose. 

OscarB looked good too. might give THE LOCOMOTIVE a bit of a hurry up next Friday, I'm thinking too. 👍🏆🍻

[Nowornever]

29 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

But along came ALLstars Mark at $26 and $4.80 Sportsbet with CHASE A DREAM for an easy win. Got a good trip after skittling 'Little Spike' out of the one one sit .😁  Bit naughty by Mark there at the first corner ?

Yes should do a stint on the sidelines for that

[mikeynz]

On 3/28/2025 at 10:12 AM, Brodie said:

Seems like a programming stuff up on the face of it!

You are correct the turnover will not be any better than if there were only one or teo meetings.

Palmy will continue to lose money for the industry but that is all good.

Tonights meeting at Addington seems a hard one to find value?

I think it's a bit unfair to single Palmy out, their turnovers ain't much different in many cases to anyone else, only difference with Auckland is the stakes, Cambridge main race with good horses had win pool of 9500, don't know if that's good or not, most are doing well to beat 6.

Not sure if having 2 Friday meetings makes much difference to turnover but it does make the TV presentation better.

Edited Friday at 10:10 PM by mikeynz

[Brodie]

2 hours ago, mikeynz said:

I think it's a bit unfair to single Palmy out, their turnovers ain't much different in many cases to anyone else, only difference with Auckland is the stakes, Cambridge main race with good horses had win pool of 9500, don't know if that's good or not, most are doing well to beat 6.

Not sure if having 2 Friday meetings makes much difference to turnover but it does make the TV presentation better.

Harness lost it big time when they got rid of the Saturday night racing in NZ!

They are far more likely to attract more new people on course on a Saturday night for several reasons.

They reckoned that they were competing with Rugby on a Saturday night, whichnis bollacks!

Rugby is not all year if they hadnt realised and if rugby has more appeal to orople then the industry is in trouble.

Harness should be run on Friday and Saturday nights snd Sunday arvo if they want to keep people interested, during the week will not attract new people .

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:09 AM by Brodie

[Brodie]

I didnt realise that the Palmy meeting has a later start so a twilight meeting.

Think that is not a bad idea a Sunday twilight meeting far better than the Tuesday.

[Nowornever]

49 minutes ago, Brodie said:

I didnt realise that the Palmy meeting has a later start so a twilight meeting.

Think that is not a bad idea a Sunday twilight meeting far better than the Tuesday.

Agree

[mikeynz]

I just watched kindergarten stakes, 60000 for 5 2yos, almost got a stiffy with excitement.

And that don't happen as often as it used too these days lol

Edited 21 hours ago by mikeynz

[Nowornever]

21 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

I just watched kindergarten stakes, 60000 for 5 2yos, almost got a stiffy with excitement.

And that don't happen as often as it used too these days lol

Hard to get a stiffy over these pools. I don't think it will pay for the stake somehow.

Win Pool: $3821.08             Place Pool: $1443.62

Quinella Pool: $2109.89      Trifecta Pool: $3375.98

[mikeynz]

Just now, Nowornever said:

Hard to get a stiffy over these pools. I don't think it will pay for the stake somehow.

Win Pool: $3821.08             Place Pool: $1443.62

Quinella Pool: $2109.89      Trifecta Pool: $3375.98

Glad someone else pointed that out, interestingly watching races you get to see some areas in drought and Southland after a wet spring now looking good, Wyndham I think farm the place, would help bolster finances, seems smarter to farm it than build apartments, that's risky lol.

[Brodie]

1 hour ago, Nowornever said:

Hard to get a stiffy over these pools. I don't think it will pay for the stake somehow.

Win Pool: $3821.08             Place Pool: $1443.62

Quinella Pool: $2109.89      Trifecta Pool: $3375.98

To be fair there would appear to be very few if any races that wouldve covered the stakes paid today, unless the Bookies cleaned up on the Fixed Odds!

The TAB/ Entain must be extremely worried about how things are actually going financially despite them telling us just how positive things are going!

Unfortunately there appears No way on earth are they profitable at the moment unless someone in the know can tell us otherwise?

 

[Nowornever]

43 minutes ago, Brodie said:

unless the Bookies cleaned up on the Fixed Odds!

I don't think so.   

Mack Pack 26 into 4.00.  Treasure Cove 3.50 into 1.50 both badly priced thanks TAB

 

[Brodie]

24 minutes ago, Nowornever said:

I don't think so.   

Mack Pack 26 into 4.00.  Treasure Cove 3.50 into 1.50 both badly priced thanks TAB

 

So what you are saying is you love the Ozzie Bookies?

[mikeynz]

Wyndham had a couple of races over 10000 win pool, the 2yo race the poorest, Rangiora had one over 11,and one over 9 Manawatu have had one just under 9 up till now, Ashburton Wednesday ranged from 4 and a half to 8 and the main race at Cambridge on Friday was over 9.

Westport cup on boxing day was over 20, Auckland cup was over 23, Manawatu win pools ain't much different from some races at Rangiora or Wyndham nor many of the run of the mill Friday night races, hard to know what all that means but reality is there is only so much money to go around, 2yo races are not profitable, and they only benefit a select few with the inflated stakes.

[Brodie]

5 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

Wyndham had a couple of races over 10000 win pool, the 2yo race the poorest, Rangiora had one over 11,and one over 9 Manawatu have had one just under 9 up till now, Ashburton Wednesday ranged from 4 and a half to 8 and the main race at Cambridge on Friday was over 9.

Westport cup on boxing day was over 20, Auckland cup was over 23, Manawatu win pools ain't much different from some races at Rangiora or Wyndham nor many of the run of the mill Friday night races, hard to know what all that means but reality is there is only so much money to go around, 2yo races are not profitable, and they only benefit a select few with the inflated stakes.

Reality is that it all depends on how much the Bookies are winning or losing.

Unless the Bookies are cleaning up then these meetings are not covering costs.

The lack of place dividends being shown on Trackside is definitely going to be cisting turnover without any doubt!

Its ok though they have got betting on a meeting from Turkey!

[Nowornever]

3 hours ago, Brodie said:

So what you are saying is you love the Ozzie Bookies?

Yes I find some of their opening prices very attractive in the middle market. Like I have stated before you can see they are running scared and just try to keep everything as even or short as they can in those bigger fields. Trouble for them is you can not keep everything short as it skews the true price of almost every runner if you get two or three wrong in a race.