Reefton Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 When you think about it - Total turnover on and off say $1.42m and total stakes and payouts to the Clubs for the day probably $200,000. Those numbers certainly cause concern(about sustainability) do they not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 38 minutes ago, Reefton said: When you think about it - Total turnover on and off say $1.42m and total stakes and payouts to the Clubs for the day probably $200,000. Those numbers certainly cause concern(about sustainability) do they not? Actually tomorrow at Trentham - $1.01m in stakes and maybe $3m(????) turnover on and off - now that is really unsustainable! Maybe Reefton is better to step aside and wait for the whole lot to implode on itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 10 hours ago, Reefton said: Cannot remember but I do not have much confidence in her so suspect $20 each way. I am fairly disillusioned with the game just now and have never (1)been much of a judge or (2) bothered to study form so accordingly am not doing too much punting(never have been a particularly big punter in any case - I love - or did love - the game, the horses and the people in the industry but Winston is telling me I no longer have a place so I am happy to walk away). You sound depressed actually....but I'm here to help As previously stated...the closing of Tracks was always a 'discussion' item in the report.. Do you really think a Sthern Man like Dean McKenzie will view the submissions and close down tracks with significant historical appeal... ..without costing the industry any money? Of course not... This ridiculous side show has overshadowed the entire Messara report... ...thanks to petty parochialism...and that was always going to be the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Thomass said: You sound depressed actually....but I'm here to help As previously stated...the closing of Tracks was always a 'discussion' item in the report.. Do you really think a Sthern Man like Dean McKenzie will view the submissions and close down tracks with significant historical appeal... ..without costing the industry any money? Of course not... This ridiculous side show has overshadowed the entire Messara report... ...thanks to petty parochialism...and that was always going to be the problem Where are you and your gypsie friends and family right now Thomass? Outside parliament looking for a statue of Woeful Winston to pay homage? (News reports had you close to Wellington last evening) Please don't come down our way - we don't really like wankers down here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Reefton said: Where are you and your gypsie friends and family right now Thomass? Outside parliament looking for a statue of Woeful Winston to pay homage? (News reports had you close to Wellington last evening) Please don't come down our way - we don't really like wankers down here. Winnie won't be welcomed around parliament just now. News reports are that he has been making 'dictatorial statements and declarations on NZ's position on a number of matters'...without consulting the tooth fairy. Naughty Winstone. Maybe your suggestion that 3 glasses of wine a night are 'medicinal' is not all that it seems for you. Shoulda stuck with the JB pal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, Reefton said: Where are you and your gypsie friends and family right now Thomass? Outside parliament looking for a statue of Woeful Winston to pay homage? (News reports had you close to Wellington last evening) Please don't come down our way - we don't really like wankers down here. Do you respect Dean McKenzie or is he another towny who wants to destroy the WC and their way of life... ...gathering moss...and tossing stones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Tiger Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Reefton said: We are talking about oncourse. And where do you get your figures from? - the TAB specifically told us they could not provide fixed odds info(because I wanted it immediately) And even allowing for all that Matamata only doing $781 off course is hardly anything to skite about. More like something to cry about Newmarket asked what the figures were, so I provided them - they came from NZRB Didn't see anyone skiting about the figures for Matamata Total FOB for day 292k Matamata, 176K Reefton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Tiger Tiger said: Newmarket asked what the figures were, so I provided them - they came from NZRB Didn't see anyone skiting about the figures for Matamata Total FOB for day 292k Matamata, 176K Reefton Where from NZRB? Did you ask for them specifically or are they published somewhere so we can all see? Reefton was pointing out that if on-course attendance and turnover was a metric for keeping a racecourse open then Reefton trumped Matamata on that day. In my opinion the longevity of racing as a sport AND a medium to bet on is inherently linked to the exposure it gets on the ground. I imagine that amongst the many children running around at Reefton on their raceday there are potentially future stakeholders in the game. Disenfranchise them at your peril. They won't be Matamata "Fashion in the Field" types either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Tiger Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 what was the on-course attendance figures for both those meetings ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, Tiger Tiger said: what was the on-course attendance figures for both those meetings ? Pass. Where did you get the turnover figures from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiger Tiger said: what was the on-course attendance figures for both those meetings ? We don't charge so don't know but those who looked at the intertrack tell us there were ten times as many at Reefton as at Matamata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Tiger Tiger said: Newmarket asked what the figures were, so I provided them - they came from NZRB Didn't see anyone skiting about the figures for Matamata Total FOB for day 292k Matamata, 176K Reefton Well that blows the myth that FOB is getting proportionately greater and greater because last year our FOB was about 80% of our ordinary off course - this year it is down to about 50%(and looks similar for Matamata). Which brings into question the reliability of the info you are relying on Anyway off course is irrelevant - clearly decent punters are going to be more inclined to back horses ridden by Collett Allpress Bosson and Coleman than Bholah Jugoo and Hirini. The point is the performance of the venue. If off course is the barometer then we may as well just pick all the racing up from Randwick and forget NZ racing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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