TAB accepts $40k bet on Telfer horse?

[PeterLambFan]

13 hours ago, Brodie said:

So the TAB is prepared to take a liability of $100k on one horse and yet stop other punters from being able to wager on other horses?

Totally flawed business plan and is backfiring on them.

Time the Committee came out with what they have been discussing or has it not met as yet??

I got sent a text about boosted odds for the horse in question. So I am wondering if it was a number of bets totally roughly $100,000 rather than one large bet of $100,000. 

[Gammalite]

4 hours ago, Brodie said:

Gamma, does seem a bit hard to believe some of these big bets that they say with just how risk averse they are to other punters.

They restrict some punters bets to netting $200 or $300 and yet they try to suggest that they are taking these large bets from others?

Brodie , you often talk like you don't know how casino's and Bookies trade with their clients ??

Of course they take Large Bets . From their KNOWN customers. 

Customers that support them with fairly regular bets ,(so the house has a chance to make money too) often get rewards with special leeway. Casino's even have rooms for their favourite customers, set -up with their favourite things. It's a case of looking after the folk who might chip in a million each visit when feeling Desparate lol. 

You've seen it in NZ heaps of times with the 'BOYS Get PAID' syndicates.  at the horses. They get bets on that others can't , because they're INTO ENtertainment as Well . for their customers. Everyone wins with a bit of Fun , even if some of the bets are losing. doesn't matter to BGP, as 'the House' needs to win too sometimes. 

Brodster, You Only want to take their Money. Not interested in the entertainment or fun factor . Not connected to any of the runners. nothing.  So you are NOT a favoured customer old mate (sadly) Maybe you should change your ways ? and become a 'favoured customer' ? Instead of an old age Grizzley lol 😁  Start up your own Boys Get Paid. and advance yourself in retirement to 'the Brodster Gets Paid '.😅🤣

COMPUTER safeguards are in place for Bookmaker Telephone/on-line Customers. If they Win Big TWICE in a row , then a limit is placed for a certain timeframe and amount thereafter. Sometimes it's a VERY small one i'm told . There are plenty of safeguards in place , that usually work to STOP the punter LOSING BIG amounts. which is more often the case than WINNING Big amounts. 

So LIMITS/and or Restrictions are an excellent thing whether be 'daily' or by 'amount spent' for Single entities , to save the customer thousands on occasion when they are 'Desparate' . (Desparate has quite a few Meanings as far as betting goes,  so you just have to work that out for yourselves 😋🤣)

 

[Rangatira]

54 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Brodster, You Only want to take their Money.

But doesn't need it.

[Brodie]

4 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Brodie , you often talk like you don't know how casino's and Bookies trade with their clients ??

Of course they take Large Bets . From their KNOWN customers. 

Customers that support them with fairly regular bets ,(so the house has a chance to make money too) often get rewards with special leeway. Casino's even have rooms for their favourite customers, set -up with their favourite things. It's a case of looking after the folk who might chip in a million each visit when feeling Desparate lol. 

You've seen it in NZ heaps of times with the 'BOYS Get PAID' syndicates.  at the horses. They get bets on that others can't , because they're INTO ENtertainment as Well . for their customers. Everyone wins with a bit of Fun , even if some of the bets are losing. doesn't matter to BGP, as 'the House' needs to win too sometimes. 

Brodster, You Only want to take their Money. Not interested in the entertainment or fun factor . Not connected to any of the runners. nothing.  So you are NOT a favoured customer old mate (sadly) Maybe you should change your ways ? and become a 'favoured customer' ? Instead of an old age Grizzley lol 😁  Start up your own Boys Get Paid. and advance yourself in retirement to 'the Brodster Gets Paid '.😅🤣

COMPUTER safeguards are in place for Bookmaker Telephone/on-line Customers. If they Win Big TWICE in a row , then a limit is placed for a certain timeframe and amount thereafter. Sometimes it's a VERY small one i'm told . There are plenty of safeguards in place , that usually work to STOP the punter LOSING BIG amounts. which is more often the case than WINNING Big amounts. 

So LIMITS/and or Restrictions are an excellent thing whether be 'daily' or by 'amount spent' for Single entities , to save the customer thousands on occasion when they are 'Desparate' . (Desparate has quite a few Meanings as far as betting goes,  so you just have to work that out for yourselves 😋🤣)

 

Gamma, I do know how it works, but as I say the business plan they have adopted is extremely flawed!

They need all punters for turnover!

They place far too much reliance on yield, it all flows back into racing!

[Gammalite]

46 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Gamma, I do know how it works, but as I say the business plan they have adopted is extremely flawed!

They need all punters for turnover!

They place far too much reliance on yield, it all flows back into racing!

How can you say that ? the betting agency's and the HRNZ are working hard to bring attractive racing and support the participants in very trying times for the general public.

It's Not their fault the reduced participation. It costs a lot to run a horse these days. You have money and still wouldn't do it yourself because of the costs involved. and when they do compete , the opposition is made up of extremely talented horsepeople. NZ has a Huge tradition in great horses and people in the harness racing.

Mark Purdon has been back winning past couple of weeks , and Ray Green too at Auckland , Barry and Scotts 2 horses both ran 2nd . Bernie Hackett won 2 of the 3 trots. 

They were racing for between $8,500 and $11,000 for the winner. Barely enough to get by? , for fast Metro horses class trainers that are near best in the world . 

Yet you say the HRNZ  business model is paying them too much inprizemoney ??  I say Not true !!! . It's only just enough to keep going really? , with All of todays expenses, staff and all sorts of things. 

Betting companies have their own betting business plans that yield them Millions. I'm told by Chief and curious and that the Share price has doubled this year ??  no flaw in their business plan then either mate.

We're getting GREAT racing and a GREAT SHARE price  (HRNZ and Entain) 

Maybe you should BUY the Entain SHAres then ? and get on board that way ? if you can't find a way to get a bet on like everyone else does. Might make you wealthy mate ? 😂😅🎉 

[Brodie]

17 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

How can you say that ? the betting agency's and the HRNZ are working hard to bring attractive racing and support the participants in very trying times for the general public.

It's Not their fault the reduced participation. It costs a lot to run a horse these days. You have money and still wouldn't do it yourself because of the costs involved. and when they do compete , the opposition is made up of extremely talented horsepeople. NZ has a Huge tradition in great horses and people in the harness racing.

Mark Purdon has been back winning past couple of weeks , and Ray Green too at Auckland , Barry and Scotts 2 horses both ran 2nd . Bernie Hackett won 2 of the 3 trots. 

They were racing for between $8,500 and $11,000 for the winner. Barely enough to get by? , for fast Metro horses class trainers that are near best in the world . 

Yet you say the HRNZ  business model is paying them too much inprizemoney ??  I say Not true !!! . It's only just enough to keep going really? , with All of todays expenses, staff and all sorts of things. 

Betting companies have their own betting business plans that yield them Millions. I'm told by Chief and curious and that the Share price has doubled this year ??  no flaw in their business plan then either mate.

We're getting GREAT racing and a GREAT SHARE price  (HRNZ and Entain) 

Maybe you should BUY the Entain SHAres then ? and get on board that way ? if you can't find a way to get a bet on like everyone else does. Might make you wealthy mate ? 😂😅🎉 

Gamma, always appreciate you comments even if they conflict with mine.

Not sure that they are doing their best to bring attractive racing to us all the time?

Whether Mark Purdon Barry Purdon etc. win in Auckland is irrelevant andnot important to most punters, and punters is what we need!

We also need the smaller time owners and trainers participating or punters and other owners are going to be lost to the industry!

Yes it does cost a lot of money nowadays to race any horse but currently HRNZ are living beyond their means and it is only due to the Entain cash splash!

This will end and before we know it and then they will realise that Brodie and others were certainly on the money.

Reality is that Entain share price is nothing to do with harness racing in NZ and they will be more than happy not to have it!

They are not a gambling agency that is into harness racing and unfortunately that is going to play out!

Gamma, you come from the angle of being a racing purist, nowadays I see it from a business point of view!

Personally think it is going to take a lot more than a splurge of cash for 5 years to make harness racing a viable venture for the TAB!

They are going about it the wrong way in my humble opinion and time will only tell?

Edited 9 hours ago by Brodie

[Rangatira]

41 minutes ago, Brodie said:

They are going about it the wrong way in my humble opinion and time will only tell?

Humble you say.

[Gammalite]

9 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Personally think it is going to take a lot more than a splurge of cash for 5 years to make harness racing a viable venture for the TAB!

They are going about it the wrong way in my humble opinion and time will only tell?

The part where TAB agencies/agents that were operating from their own premises ,have closed the last few years and you just see betting machines in pubs.  Probably similar in NZ , but a weekly or twice weekly trip to the TAB used to be fun to pick some with mates and you could punt at leisure .

Now they just want everyone spending their money alone on-line , where they fumble and fail while on the drink or whatever. That's the one sad thing about the modern Business model.

Pretty awful, but it works a lot of the time for them. people spend more that way. 

 

13 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Not sure that they are doing their best to bring attractive racing to us all the time?

Whether Mark Purdon Barry Purdon etc. win in Auckland is irrelevant andnot important to most punters, and punters is what we need!

We also need the smaller time owners and trainers participating or punters and other owners are going to be lost to the industry!

well they put Sunday racing on every week for those small time parties you mentioned ?? like Kurow today.

Has been part of the NZ HRNZ business model for a LONG long time ? so what's the problem ? do you need Midweek as well or something ?? Kurow looked good today . But the Features go to the star players of Nathan Williamson and Stonewall. There's not much left for 'mug' players anymore. 

Attractive racing through the ceiling, esp  the past 3 years. Even more features like the Velocity and the Ascent and the Betcha to add to an incredible year of racing , that HRNZ put on each year. 

Aussies have been in a huge amount of the Big time racing last 3 years , because it's that good. Many champions racing there past 3 years . I can think of at least 10 Top horses. 

.And you DESPARATELY need Mark Purdon and Barry Purdon and folk like that , to Keep you competitive mate. They are household names ?? and ARE Important to Punters . they provide the runners Capable of winning the Group 1's and keeping NZ harness on the map. as a force. and not a farce. 😅😉🤪

Mark has run 2nd in the last 4 NZ Cups (or something like that) since Self Assured won it . He's that good he came to Queensland and Won our feature QLD Derby recently,  while near retired . on a strange track with strange drivers. 

Barry held both the Aussies out in the time honoured  NZ FFA and Also won the Velocity showday , and Meant To Be won 4 Group 1 trots. a legend of the sport . But a dreaded North Islander .hahaha

and you say they are irrelevant and Not important to Punters?? what ? I can't believe you say this stuff? 

A sport NZ has done so well at for decades . reduced to just need mug racing for mug punters ? You had that today and nearly Every Sunday already ?  so can't complain . Luckily I had no Sunday race-day in my time . thank the Lucky stars. 

No Wonder Waller went to Sydney to be a Big time Gallops trainer. lol.😎🎉  probably irrelevant in NZ lol.🤣

Barry had 2 Red hot favourites the Punters got stuck into last Friday night , because he is THAT good . and Important. Alas they both ran 2nd (we'll just Blame Scott for that 😆, or Zac 🤣)  but mainly the NI opposition is just so Good as well, that a world champion of decades in Barry Purdon found it hard to win. Not irrelevant though.

Hey and Mark had a drive and bought home the Bacon ok. To make up for it. But lets throw him under the Brodie Bus as well because he can't Punt on him, and so is Not Important. odds are too small. or some shit like that.  Lets just look after the Grass Roots/track horse class that win a race a season and Punters lose heaps on trying to chase odds.😋

Punters would of Loved seeing ANDRETTI paying $2 with the Grand Master on mate. So It's All good . I thought it was pretty Dandy anyway. Nothing better than Mark in a 6 horse field while he has 2 of the runners. Money for Jam. 💰

 

[Brodie]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

The part where TAB agencies/agents that were operating from their own premises ,have closed the last few years and you just see betting machines in pubs.  Probably similar in NZ , but a weekly or twice weekly trip to the TAB used to be fun to pick some with mates and you could punt at leisure .

Now they just want everyone spending their money alone on-line , where they fumble and fail while on the drink or whatever. That's the one sad thing about the modern Business model.

Pretty awful, but it works a lot of the time for them. people spend more that way. 

 

well they put Sunday racing on every week for those small time parties you mentioned ?? like Kurow today.

Has been part of the NZ HRNZ business model for a LONG long time ? so what's the problem ? do you need Midweek as well or something ?? Kurow looked good today . But the Features go to the star players of Nathan Williamson and Stonewall. There's not much left for 'mug' players anymore. 

Attractive racing through the ceiling, esp  the past 3 years. Even more features like the Velocity and the Ascent and the Betcha to add to an incredible year of racing , that HRNZ put on each year. 

Aussies have been in a huge amount of the Big time racing last 3 years , because it's that good. Many champions racing there past 3 years . I can think of at least 10 Top horses. 

.And you DESPARATELY need Mark Purdon and Barry Purdon and folk like that , to Keep you competitive mate. They are household names ?? and ARE Important to Punters . they provide the runners Capable of winning the Group 1's and keeping NZ harness on the map. as a force. and not a farce. 😅😉🤪

Mark has run 2nd in the last 4 NZ Cups (or something like that) since Self Assured won it . He's that good he came to Queensland and Won our feature QLD Derby recently,  while near retired . on a strange track with strange drivers. 

Barry held both the Aussies out in the time honoured  NZ FFA and Also won the Velocity showday , and Meant To Be won 4 Group 1 trots. a legend of the sport . But a dreaded North Islander .hahaha

and you say they are irrelevant and Not important to Punters?? what ? I can't believe you say this stuff? 

A sport NZ has done so well at for decades . reduced to just need mug racing for mug punters ? You had that today and nearly Every Sunday already ?  so can't complain . Luckily I had no Sunday race-day in my time . thank the Lucky stars. 

No Wonder Waller went to Sydney to be a Big time Gallops trainer. lol.😎🎉  probably irrelevant in NZ lol.🤣

Barry had 2 Red hot favourites the Punters got stuck into last Friday night , because he is THAT good . and Important. Alas they both ran 2nd (we'll just Blame Scott for that 😆, or Zac 🤣)  but mainly the NI opposition is just so Good as well, that a world champion of decades in Barry Purdon found it hard to win. Not irrelevant though.

Hey and Mark had a drive and bought home the Bacon ok. To make up for it. But lets throw him under the Brodie Bus as well because he can't Punt on him, and so is Not Important. odds are too small. or some shit like that.  Lets just look after the Grass Roots/track horse class that win a race a season and Punters lose heaps on trying to chase odds.😋

Punters would of Loved seeing ANDRETTI paying $2 with the Grand Master on mate. So It's All good . I thought it was pretty Dandy anyway. Nothing better than Mark in a 6 horse field while he has 2 of the runners. Money for Jam. 💰

 

Gamma, the point I was trying to make is that many punters nowadays just won’t bother punting into tight class racing with The Purdon’s dominating a 6 horse field.

We will survive if we can keep the grass roots owners and trainers industry alive!

The industry will not survive if we continue the way things are going at the moment.

When HRNZ states that he believes that things are all positive on a recent interview, we know we are in deep trouble!

Good punting.