2 year olds racing

[the galah]

This weeks 2 year old races in nz  canned,due to lack of numbers.

Only 1,  2 year old is racing in the whole of nz in the coming week.

Actually,last weeks race at auckland was interesting.

Pre race Ray green was interviewed on trackside and said one of the horses he had entered had bad manners and the only reason he had entered it was because,without it they wouldn't have had the 5 horses needed to run the race.It galloped and took no part.

Of course mr green is just being honest,as he was when earlier in the year he said that he was lining up a 2 year old filly,when really it wasn't going good enough to take to the races.

4 months ago ,mathew peden from hrnz  said, "we have more and more 2 year olds racing all the time"

where have they all gone,or was he just pulling our leg?

Edited 23 hours ago by the galah

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32 minutes ago, the galah said:

This weeks 2 year old races in nz  canned,due to lack of numbers.

Only 1,  2 year old is racing in the whole of nz in the coming week.

Actually,last weeks race at auckland was interesting.

Pre race Ray green was interviewed on trackside and said one of the horses he had entered had bad manners and the only reason he had entered it was because,without it they wouldn't have had the 5 horses needed to run the race.It galloped and took no part.

Of course mr green is just being honest,as he was when earlier in the year he said that he was lining up a 2 year old filly,when really it wasn't going good enough to take to the races.

4 months ago ,mathew peden from hrnz  said, "we have more and more 2 year olds racing all the time"

where have they all gone,or was he just pulling our leg?

Fair comment  , after a promising start most trainers have decided to just educate their 2 yr olds and get to the trials stage before spelling them and taking the next step to racing them.

Mark Jones commented that in general Trainers were reluctant to race them at 2 and risk their value so early on.So he pointed at the trainers .

At this time of year , most of the races are around the minimum stakes with the sires stakes series which many target starting later in August and run to end of year !

Today Auckland had about at 8 trials/workouts ,4 at least looked up to race speed rating 2.02 MR for 2050 m.

Tomorrow there are at least 10 pacers at Chch trials/workouts.

The aim for trainers at this stage seems to be to get into big Age group races or showing enough potential to get  a big offer !

And some of the bigger stables have enough 2 yr olds to sort out their abilities at home and in trials to press on with the best and spell the rest .

The 2 yr old Bonus for first win etc is still in its infant stage and is talked about and targeted , but this balanced with desire not to jeopardise its future and saleability !

They going faster and faster at 2 and many not mature enough at 2 to compete.

 

[Gammalite]

12 hours ago, the galah said:

This weeks 2 year old races in nz  canned,due to lack of numbers.

Only 1,  2 year old is racing in the whole of nz in the coming week.

Actually,last weeks race at auckland was interesting.

Pre race Ray green was interviewed on trackside and said one of the horses he had entered had bad manners and the only reason he had entered it was because,without it they wouldn't have had the 5 horses needed to run the race.It galloped and took no part.

Of course mr green is just being honest,as he was when earlier in the year he said that he was lining up a 2 year old filly,when really it wasn't going good enough to take to the races.

4 months ago ,mathew peden from hrnz  said, "we have more and more 2 year olds racing all the time"

where have they all gone,or was he just pulling our leg?

Nice observation Mr Galah. and Ray Green is one of the 'very few' who pushed hard to get 2 year olds racing every year. He probably has more Numbers from the yearling sales to do it with. the big stables should try at least 10 yearlings each year (even more if possible) as one in 10  horses can usually make the races ok as a 2 year-old going by laws of averages and numbers) 

NZ trainers/owners traditionally give their horses extra time to develope and grow and are reluctant to push them to maximum thrust at a young age . wasn't long ago some NZ men didn't even race them as 3 yearolds on occasion.

We are 6 weeks off half way mark through the 2 year old season and more should be stepping out now. but most will still wait till the Spring. QLD is fairly similar. Our weekly 2 year-old race ran yesterday ( with 6 starters) 

Winter a good time to Spell them generally and work them up through  the Spring , and assault the Big Nov Dec racing which includes the rich Sires Stakes ( That Marketplace won brilliantly last year ) 

The best are still to come !.  so don't panic yet . It's just cold old Winter at the moment. 

[the galah]

so the above couple of posts i think accurately sum up why there are  very few extra  2 year olds currently racing,than were racing pre bonuses being offered.  ..

pretty much,the only trainers who have been lining up any extra 2 year olds, are the trainers who line up a runner they give little chance,to make sure a race gets off the ground,so another runner from their stable can have a chance to race.(e.g. as r green stated he does)

And,the small number of extras that do line up,have the same owners as the other starters from the stable.

After all,imagine if your a trainer and telling your owner your going to keep their horse in training and incur a couple of months extra training fees so another stable owner can benefit financially. 

And remember, Hrnz changed the programming conditions to say  2 year olds should only race  2 year olds,whereas previously trainers accepted that if they didn't have enough 2 year olds nominating,they would be put in against the non win grade.A better system,because it meant you weren't getting the number of 2 year olds races currently being run at significant  losses based on the low turnover.

In summary,trainers are saying,hey,we will try and win a bonus later in the year,but its not like they wouldn't be starting their 2 year olds then anyway,bonus or no bonus.

So the  year old scheme clearly was a failure. And that was so very predicatble.

Hrnz also said the bonuses would mean an increase in numbers bred,when in reality it could be argued the bonuses actually discouraged some breeders because they felt others sectors of the industry were being prioritised over them.

so hrnz,knowing the bonus scheme was a failure,knowing they had just paid out $1.15 million and achieved nothing,refused to admit it

Instead the doubled down on it being a success,even though anyone with any sense could see it wasn't.

To justify that ,hrnz used stats relating to the % of 2 year olds that raced from the crop in the year they were born,comparing that with the previous year. They claimed that the increase from 18% to 21% was proof the scheme was a success. They did not use actual numbers,because that would have shown there about the same number racing,pre the bonus. e.g. 21% of 1000=210.   18% of 1170=210.

in reality the small increase in % racing could easily have been explained by looking at who had no longer bred in the relevant year. You would have found that group comprised mostly small time breeders who never prioritised racing 2 year olds anyway.

so hrnz having paid out $1.15 million in bonuses and achieved next to nothing,privately knew the reality,so have changed future bonuses to pay people for just starting some  2 years,not all. (again they have prioritised one group over another).

Problem with that of course is ,yes,it may help numbers to a small degree,but those numbers will come near the end of the year,when field size for 2 year old races are good anyway.

There are still some who claim the big time owners and breeders,the more wealthy of those in the game,need the money more than the hobby,less wealthy people,to keep going and deserve subsidies.

but lets not forget,those who have the better 2 year old races have been looked after with significantly increased stakes,as well as the bonuses.

In efect.the reality of what the bonuses very predicatably failed to achieve ,is increase the number of mares being bred  and the most significant drop off came from the small time breeders.

and the most glaring folly of all,is the races in which profits are generated from turnover/stakes paid,comes from races run with horses supplied by the type of person who has been discouraged and who did not breed their mare.

So,that means inevitably in the future,less money for stakemoney.

So hrnz have knowingly been implementing policies to undermione their own future funding ability.

thats why some of us say,the people in charge have no intention of sticking around when things hit the fan. even if they did want to,they would only have the support of the groups they have been prioritising.

Edited 5 hours ago by the galah