mikeynz Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Today's 2 meetings so far, very ordinary, could that be because of 2 meetings..........but contradicting that Friday nights 2 meeting looked a slight improvement, no Friday night rugby, could that be a factor? Quote
mikeynz Posted July 6 Author Posted July 6 Maybe purely my imagination, the quaddie at Addington was better, but today's figures up till now not flash. Quote
Brodie Posted July 6 Posted July 6 To be fair, when they are restricting punters to amounts that are getting lower than what they were, then what do you expect punters to do?? Thought Entain initially had improved things for the TAB but they have actually got sirse in recent months despite what they will tell you! Seriously they have no appetite for risk and are riding out their time till they can stop chucking the money into racing! These odds surges etc. are a joke really when the maximum bet is $20!!!!!! why would you bother! Still they promote $1k @ $1.65 to win as being a big bet alert and worthy of mentioning lol. Let the punters on TAB and increase your turnover! Quote
mikeynz Posted July 6 Author Posted July 6 (edited) I think Harness Racing have a small band of loyal supporters, but as time goes by that number will slowly dwindle, there are many meetings that simply have no appeal to people, no different to a lot of our Rugby in using a synergy, if that's the right word, it's happening there too. Entain can't lose as long as they stay in for the long haul. Edited July 6 by mikeynz Quote
Rangatira Posted July 6 Posted July 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, Brodie said: These odds surges etc. are a joke really when the maximum bet is $20!!!!!! why would you bother! It is a decent amount here in Hei Hei You can get a whole school of under sized for a Wood Pigeon Ain't life grand. Edited July 6 by Rangatira Quote
Brodie Posted July 6 Posted July 6 19 minutes ago, Rangatira said: It is a decent amount here in Hei Hei You can get a whole school of under sized for a Wood Pigeon Ain't life grand. $20 is a pathetically small amount surely not worth the effort? $20 may have been ok 20 years ago but what does it buy nowadays? Certainly very little so does the Tab really believe they are doing fantastic things? Have a look a the tote pools for the whole of NZ, shockingly small now! Quote
Rangatira Posted July 6 Posted July 6 7 minutes ago, Brodie said: Have a look a the tote pools for the whole of NZ, shockingly small now! Fixed odds the way to go I hear 40k bets ok even if they win 1 Quote
Brodie Posted July 6 Posted July 6 12 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Fixed odds the way to go I hear 40k bets ok even if they win Yeah, they look after who they want to and others get victimised! At the end of the day the TAB is doing major damage to the future of racing in NZ and they know it, but the ones making the calls wont be around. 1 Quote
Nowornever Posted July 6 Posted July 6 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Yeah, they look after who they want to and others get victimised! Losing punters get preferential treatment. Always have and always will. 1 Quote
Brodie Posted July 6 Posted July 6 10 minutes ago, Nowornever said: Losing punters get preferential treatment. Always have and always will. Would be good for spokesperson for the NZ TAB to actually front and justify what they are doing to harness racing! It is just so hard to justify their policies if they are wanting to keep harness racing going as they are driving punters away rather than encouraging! It all good though apparently cos the HRNZ CEO says so! Delusional thinking. Quote
Nowornever Posted July 6 Posted July 6 17 minutes ago, Brodie said: Delusional thinking. Remember only 2% of their customers can generate a profit and those are the ones they are cutting out. Since the rise of social media they get a bit more heat for doing so now, but can not see them changing their position on it. Lots of backlash for the geo blocking bill as well. Quote
Brodie Posted July 6 Posted July 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nowornever said: Remember only 2% of their customers can generate a profit and those are the ones they are cutting out. Since the rise of social media they get a bit more heat for doing so now, but can not see them changing their position on it. Lots of backlash for the geo blocking bill as well. So if only 2% of their customers generate a profit, the TaB thinks that is too high? So we will only allow those that lose to wager with us? So we get rid of the successful punters and that is ethically ok? No one that bets with us is to win, we make it difficult for winning punters and encourage the 98% losing ones! Edited July 6 by Brodie Quote
Nowornever Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Well those 2% could be doing 20% of the turnover hard to say. Their marketing vs their actual inhouse policies are quite contradictory 1 Quote
TAB For Ever Posted July 6 Posted July 6 1 hour ago, Nowornever said: ll those 2% could be doing 20% of the turnover hard to say. Correct.....,.,a few years back , overall 2% of Punters were contributing 56% of Turnover ! Quote
Rangatira Posted July 7 Posted July 7 22 hours ago, Nowornever said: Losing punters get preferential treatment. Always have and always will. and so they should, great contributors. Quote
Rangatira Posted July 7 Posted July 7 20 hours ago, Brodie said: So we get rid of the successful punters and that is ethically ok? Totally okay if on a case by case basis and never set in stone for life. Restrictions are a fluid thing with some getting restrictions eased and in some cases lifted. Quote
Brodie Posted July 7 Posted July 7 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Totally okay if on a case by case basis and never set in stone for life. Restrictions are a fluid thing with some getting restrictions eased and in some cases lifted. Well I am waiting Ranga? They are getting tighter and pathetically low! Edited July 7 by Brodie Quote
Rangatira Posted July 7 Posted July 7 15 minutes ago, Brodie said: Well I am waiting Ranga? They are getting tighter and pathetically low! Have you been in touch with them? Quote
Brodie Posted July 7 Posted July 7 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: Have you been in touch with them? Na, I am not on their Xmas card list nowadays! Hardly think they are going to be taking any advice from Brodie or playing fair after all of this time? Quote
Rangatira Posted Tuesday at 03:53 AM Posted Tuesday at 03:53 AM 19 hours ago, Brodie said: Na, I am not on their Xmas card list nowadays! Hardly think they are going to be taking any advice from Brodie or playing fair after all of this time? Send them 1/2 dozen to cover the last few years, doctor the envelopes so they appear as if they have been returned to sender Contact them direct to see what can be done to get you back to a better degree. Others have done that and had a result although some would now regret that but would currently feel like TAB friends for life. 1 Quote
paleface adios Posted Wednesday at 03:55 AM Posted Wednesday at 03:55 AM On 7/6/2025 at 4:19 PM, Rangatira said: Fixed odds the way to go I hear Did you get on @ 20/1 friday night Quote
mikeynz Posted Wednesday at 04:15 AM Author Posted Wednesday at 04:15 AM People punt on the tote if there is plenty of depth in the fields like the country grass meetings, kind of let the market determine the payout, so many harness races have such skinny odds without fixed odds you wouldn't bother, they should encourage not discourage some punters on the fixed, they win more than punters do. 1 Quote
Brodie Posted Wednesday at 08:32 AM Posted Wednesday at 08:32 AM 3 hours ago, mikeynz said: People punt on the tote if there is plenty of depth in the fields like the country grass meetings, kind of let the market determine the payout, so many harness races have such skinny odds without fixed odds you wouldn't bother, they should encourage not discourage some punters on the fixed, they win more than punters do. Correct Mikey on all points, and difficult to see how the TAB can not see this? Surely if 98% of punters are losing punters then through open the gates and let the punters offload! The more the turnover the more the TAB is likely to win and will be far better for the harness industry! To restrict some punters and be so risk averse is just not the way they should be acting, A restricted punter gets on what I believe is not a large amount and the Bookies slash the fixed odds win and place! This then will often stop other punters from bothering to wager on that horse as the odds do not reflect true value and therefore a large amount of turnover is gone!!!!! 1 Quote
Rangatira Posted Thursday at 01:17 AM Posted Thursday at 01:17 AM 21 hours ago, paleface adios said: Did you get on @ 20/1 friday night Nah I have Yoga on the first Friday evening of each month. Quote
paleface adios Posted Thursday at 01:45 AM Posted Thursday at 01:45 AM 27 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Nah I have Yoga on the first Friday evening of each month. Fuck talk bullshit lol Quote
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