Return To Conquer’s bid for Aussie glory on hold

[Doomed]

11 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Dynastic the only one of your list to not "go on" and the only one to get close to the Aussie bush.  Not that Avoca is really the Aussie bush.  Only 2 hours out of Melbourne.

If they are the worst of them then they haven't done too badly.

I note that 4 out of the 5 you chose were Te Akau trained.  Are you in the same smoko room as @Huey

Of the KM winners there are ones that didn't achieve as much.  But you left them out.

You need to read posts more carefully chief. I said "the record of 2yo sweepstake winners in recent years has been appalling". Meaning their 3yo and older careers. Then I listed the five most recent winners, obviously skipping this years winner as it has only been a 3yo for two weeks.

I don't care who trains them. But don't Te Akau train most sweepstake winners? So obviously they will be involved. I have no opinion one way of the other re Te Akau. They do a lot of good for NZ racing.

Anyhow, I stated obvious facts, not opinions, so there is really no scope for debate, so I will leave it there.

[Chief Stipe]

38 minutes ago, Doomed said:

You need to read posts more carefully chief. I said "the record of 2yo sweepstake winners in recent years has been appalling". Meaning their 3yo and older careers.

That might be what you "meant" but you didn't explicitly state that.

38 minutes ago, Doomed said:

Then I listed the five most recent winners, obviously skipping this years winner as it has only been a 3yo for two weeks.

As I pointed out 2 of the five did arguably "go on with it".

At least 3 of the 5 had injuries or conditions that limited their careers.

Both In The Bubbles and Velocious had wind issues that didn't respond to treatment.

Tokyo Tycoon had leg issues although did win the El Roca as a three year old.  Arguably his career may have been different if he wasn't disqualified from his Sistema Grp 1 win by an unfortunate accidental positive.

Cool Aza Beel has gone on to do it in the breeding barn.  The first son of the mighty Savabeel to sire a Grp 1 winner.

I guess it all depends on how you measure "success".

If we look deeper into the Velocious KM win we see a very deep field containing a number of horses that HAVE gone on with it.  The likes of Damask Rose, Bellatrix Star and Savaglee.

Some go on and some don't.  Some crops are stronger than others.  Fir example the 2023 crop seems to have been exceptional.

[Huey]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Yep you can have one sleep in.