What's the go?

[curious]

Are unlicenced people allowed to enter stabling areas on course unannounced?

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, curious said:

Are unlicenced people allowed to enter stabling areas on course unannounced?

Colin Whiteman has been doing it for years.  First time I've heard you complain!!!

[Huey]

Licensed ... what a joke!

[curious]

1 hour ago, Huey said:

Licensed ... what a joke!

What do you mean?

[Huey]

13 minutes ago, curious said:

What do you mean?

To go in stable area.

[curious]

11 minutes ago, Huey said:

To go in stable area.

You've lost me. Say what you mean? I'm talking about entering private training premises without consent or notice, e.g., landlords.

Edited August 22 by curious

[Chief Stipe]

6 minutes ago, curious said:

You've lost me. Say what you mean? I'm talking about entering private training premises without consent or notice, e.g., landlords.

Are the landlords licensed?

[curious]

2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Are the landlords licensed?

No, but does that matter?

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, curious said:

No, but does that matter?

You've lost me on this whole thread.

[Freda]

I fail to see what is so hard to understand. 

Obviously posters dont know that all stable personnel must be licensed.  Ground workers,  track riders( slow and fast work, separate categories) trainers ( obviously) and of course riders, either professional or amateur.  All hold licenses issued by NZTR.

Random members of the public cannot wander in and out of stable yards unless authorized by trainers ( feed delivery, farriers/ vets, etc).

Edited August 22 by Freda

[curious]

58 minutes ago, Freda said:

I fail to see what is so hard to understand. 

Obviously posters dont know that all stable personnel must be licensed.  Ground workers,  track riders( slow and fast work, separate categories) trainers ( obviously) and of course riders, either professional or amateur.  All hold licenses issued by NZTR.

Random members of the public cannot wander in and out of stable yards unless authorized by trainers ( feed delivery, farriers/ vets, etc).

And of course owners but under the supervision of and with the consent of a licence holder.

[Special Agent]

On 8/22/2025 at 2:18 PM, curious said:

Are unlicenced people allowed to enter stabling areas on course unannounced?

With all the required signs on gates, and health and safety measures I would say it would not be okay.  If you are talking landlords I wonder what is in a lease agreement that could supercede rules and laws.  How do house rentals deal with a landlord inspection?  I don't think they would be without an appointment.

[curious]

35 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

With all the required signs on gates, and health and safety measures I would say it would not be okay.  If you are talking landlords I wonder what is in a lease agreement that could supercede rules and laws.  How do house rentals deal with a landlord inspection?  I don't think they would be without an appointment.

Yes. Residential tenancy law requires 48 hours written notice with the tenant or representative having the right to be present.

[Chief Stipe]

On 22/08/2025 at 6:10 PM, curious said:

You've lost me. Say what you mean? I'm talking about entering private training premises without consent or notice, e.g., landlords.

Not at a racecourse obviously.

[curious]

51 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Not at a racecourse obviously.

Yes. Multiple leased premises apparently.

[Chief Stipe]

18 hours ago, curious said:

Yes. Multiple leased premises apparently.

So it is a racecourse?  

[curious]

26 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

So it is a racecourse?  

Yes.

[Chief Stipe]

Ok so we have established that the "Landlord" is a Racing Club and the training premises are presumably owned by the Club and on Club land i.e. their racecourse property.

Now in those circumstances the "Landlord" and Tenant rights and responsibilities are interesting.  Putting to one side that the enforcement arm of the industry can enter premises at any time without notice.

As the property is soley for the purpose of training and racing horses perhaps the Landlord should be a licensed entity/person (they are licensed to race are they not?) and have rights and responsibilities that transcend the normal landlord/tenant laws.  

Perhaps that is something NZTR and Clubs could work towards when the Clubs rewrite and re-register as Incoporated Societies.

[curious]

24 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

As the property is soley for the purpose of training and racing horses perhaps the Landlord should be a licensed entity/person (they are licensed to race are they not?) and have rights and responsibilities that transcend the normal landlord/tenant laws.  

So, if I own and lease a property that is say a bar, do you think I should have to have a liquor licence to do so, or the right to enter the premises uninvited and unannounced without the consent of the tenant?

It's unconscionable behaviour, probably illegal and certainly beyond the realms of common decency.

Edited 14 hours ago by curious

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, curious said:

So, if I own and lease a property that is say a bar, do you think I should have to have a liquor licence to do so, or the right to enter the premises uninvited and unannounced without the consent of the tenant?

Not a very comparative analogy.

For a number of reasons.

[curious]

36 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Not a very comparative analogy.

For a number of reasons.

So, what is your point? I don't think I get it.

[Chief Stipe]

17 minutes ago, curious said:

So, what is your point? I don't think I get it.

Well do you think the HKJC can't inspect their stables at any time?

Instead of beating around the bush presumably on behalf of a licensed member just post what's happened.  Instead of these riddles.

[Chief Stipe]

On 23/08/2025 at 6:59 AM, curious said:

And of course owners but under the supervision of and with the consent of a licence holder.

Is that in the rules?  Does it apply to Wightman entering the tie ups on raceday?

[curious]

25 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Well do you think the HKJC can't inspect their stables at any time?

I'm not familiar with the law in HK, but I'd certainly not think they could without notice and/or consent of the tenant. Regardless, this is NZ, not HK.

Edited 10 hours ago by curious

[curious]

11 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Is that in the rules?  Does it apply to Wightman entering the tie ups on raceday?

Nobody except a licence holder can enter the tie-ups on a raceday. That's an entirely different matter to entering leased commercial premises. Owners can enter those by invitation from the tenant.

I'm still not sure what your point is. You are the one talking in riddles.