Amberley Cup rating 60+

[mikeynz]

2 nominations, then..........13 noms for 3 pacing races at Auckland, Wairio rating 50 to 70, how many ? But then also Sunday Horarata 46 to 70, programming all over the place, anything over rating 55 struggling.......strangely fields for Cambridge Wednesday generally good, I seriously wonder if going to Alexandra Park just don't appeal to many, prefer Cambridge.

[Brodie]

1 hour ago, mikeynz said:

2 nominations, then..........13 noms for 3 pacing races at Auckland, Wairio rating 50 to 70, how many ? But then also Sunday Horarata 46 to 70, programming all over the place, anything over rating 55 struggling.......strangely fields for Cambridge Wednesday generally good, I seriously wonder if going to Alexandra Park just don't appeal to many, prefer Cambridge.

Not that bad, not one nomination for the 2year old male pace for $17k!

HRNZ really need to pull their head out of the sand and stop denying the actual reality of what is happening?

If they dont then things are going to get very dire!

We need A spokesman for HRNZ to start conversing with the public as to how they think they can continue when the cash is all gooooone!

 

 

[mikeynz]

6 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Not that bad, not one nomination for the 2year old male pace for $17k!

HRNZ really need to pull their head out of the sand and stop denying the actual reality of what is happening?

If they dont then things are going to get very dire!

We need A spokesman for HRNZ to start conversing with the public as to how they think they can continue when the cash is all gooooone!

 

 

And the reality is, the money they race for ain't bad but why Cambridge Wednesday, Auckland Friday, ?

[mikeynz]

Every race or many races you see a wide band in the ratings just to get starters, rating 41s racing rating 50s, then FFAlls rating 62, racing rating 80s 90s or whatever, it's a mess. The old system while not perfect you know where you stood.

Edited February 2 by mikeynz

[Brodie]

4 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

Every race or many races you see a wide band in the ratings just to get starters, rating 41s racing rating 50s, then FFAlls rating 62, racing rating 80s 90s or whatever, it's a mess. The old system while not perfect you know where you stood.

Correct the ratings band system does not work!

Most races has such a wide range so pointless when there is often 20 points difference?

They definitely need another brainstorming system and debate about the way things are tracking!

[mikeynz]

Amberley must have done some begging, 7 in the Cup rating 60 but 2 under that.........Wairio noms as expected, none in the 2yo fills race, 6 in the main pace, Horarata cup 18 noms rating 49+ still believe any race with 6 or less starters penalty free.

[mikeynz]

Manawatu have 7 noms for 2 races for non winners, be interesting to see how they manage that but non winners should have the most numbers but not the case, Southland no better sometimes too.

[mikeynz]

Looking at noms for Motukarara and Gore, it just keep emphasizing the fact that owners/trainers enjoy grass track racing. Hawera and Taupo weren't too bad either earlier on.

Edited February 9 by mikeynz

[mikeynz]

Only 2 noms for rating 50+ race at Cromwell and scrubbed but one would think day 2 numbers will pick up, no guarantees though.

[Brodie]

Addington 2 year old race on Thursday night at Addington for $17k!

3 from Kentuckiana, 1 Ross Houghton and the other Tom Twidle!

What part of owner and trainers do not want to race their early 2 year olds, that HRNZ doesn’t understand???

Why do they really need to run these early 2 year old races that will have limited wagering and is guaranteed to lose money?

Can someone please answer, as HRNZ can not keep doing this and losing money for the industry as well as the crap fields in Cambridge on Thursday night competing against Addington?

People need to speak up as they are getting away with it and unfortunately at the end of the day it will not end well!

Is there anyone that would trust HRNZ to invest their personal money with those at HRNZ, thinking they know what they are doing financially?

More than happy to profusely apologise, if Brodie is not correct

 

Edited yesterday at 05:56 AM by Brodie

[mikeynz]

3 noms for Sundays 60+ Ashburton Cup, 7 for the Cromwell main races, I personally believe the handicapping system is fucked, too many yo yo ing up and then back down.

[mikeynz]

With the stakes on offer still not attracting numbers anyone with a draft horse must be tempted to stick a sulky behind it and go racing, HRNZ might just welcome all the numbers they can get.

[Brodie]

4 hours ago, mikeynz said:

3 noms for Sundays 60+ Ashburton Cup, 7 for the Cromwell main races, I personally believe the handicapping system is fucked, too many yo yo ing up and then back down.

Correct the handicapping system is just not fair nowadays with such a gap between the ratings especially from the mobile.

Is it really fair to have a maiden winner running against a horse that has won 15 races?

not sure why the system has not been changed to something better like no. Of wins or stakemoney won or a bit of both?

Often there is a rating difference of up to 20 points so needs amending surely?

[Spatchcock]

22 hours ago, Brodie said:

Addington 2 year old race on Thursday night at Addington for $17k!

3 from Kentuckiana, 1 Ross Houghton and the other Tom Twidle!

What part of owner and trainers do not want to race their early 2 year olds, that HRNZ doesn’t understand???

Why do they really need to run these early 2 year old races that will have limited wagering and is guaranteed to lose money?

Can someone please answer, as HRNZ can not keep doing this and losing money for the industry as well as the crap fields in Cambridge on Thursday night competing against Addington?

People need to speak up as they are getting away with it and unfortunately at the end of the day it will not end well!

Is there anyone that would trust HRNZ to invest their personal money with those at HRNZ, thinking they know what they are doing financially?

More than happy to profusely apologise, if Brodie is not correct

 

It's frustrating, I agree. 
But you can't expect people to buy into yearlings if they are not going to have guaranteed races a year later. 
I don't know what the answer is....

[Brodie]

2 minutes ago, Spatchcock said:

It's frustrating, I agree. 
But you can't expect people to buy into yearlings if they are not going to have guaranteed races a year later. 
I don't know what the answer is....

But does it not seem that the owners and trainers are not wanting to race their horses early and therefore affecting the racing viability of their horses  later on?

The days of the Gordon Middleton and Des Grice bringing out these early 2 year olds is not happening!

The industry financially just can not be operating the way they currently are!

Whether the industry survives or flourishes does not really affect me at all!

However I am deeply concerned for the harness industry and the good people that rely in it for a living!

Any comments that I make that can be perceived as negative is solely for the concern for what is going on currently.

Speaking up probably will not make a scrap of difference to what happens when Entain pulls the plug but at least I will have a clear conscience.

I personally do not believe that the decision makers really have the best interests of harness racing at heart for the longevity of racing!!

[Blackie]

No Ashburton Cup this year.

[Brodie]

There are now only 3 starters in the 2 year old race on Thursday night for $17k!

This is farcical and seriously we need people who are programming with some common sense surely?

It is just one of many races that are run at a big loss for the industry but then again easy to spend other peoples money !

Anyway it is what it is and the owners who get the money may as well take it while it is in play as it will disappear!

Why dont they give the winning owner a $12k bonus as well as it would be coming from Entain anyway?

You just couldnt make this sxxt up !

 

 

[mikeynz]

You would have to question if 2 meetings on friday nights, 2 meetings on Sundays is in the best interest for turnover, off setting that though is would you engage people's interest if there was one Friday night, Saturday and a Saturday night and a Sunday instead, I doubt you could either, Rugbys on at night now too, maybe the 2 meetings engages people more, that's a hard one to know......probably not cheap sending a TV crew to some of these meetings, I doubt Sky or TVNZ would for some, it's another thing Entain have spent plenty on, the media, some have been moved on which suggest it's not paying.

Edited 4 hours ago by mikeynz

[Brodie]

The thing is the programmer whoever it is needs to wake up and start making the right calls!

There was never ever going to be many 2 year olds ready to race on Thursday night and yet they offer a stake of $17K????

There really needs to be a serious meeting called to discuss things and where they are driving the harness industry to?

It seems incomprehensible that they have not realised what they are doing with the money they are receiving and spending it like it is going to be around indefinitely!

Brad Steele needs to be talking to Entain about their plans at the end of the 5 years and what is required from HRNZ and the TAB to be receiving what level of stake money??

I challenge anyone from those 2 organisations to come on BOAY and explain themselves!

[Gammalite]

18 minutes ago, Brodie said:

The thing is the programmer whoever it is needs to wake up and start making the right calls!

There was never ever going to be many 2 year olds ready to race on Thursday night and yet they offer a stake of $17K????

There really needs to be a serious meeting called to discuss things and where they are driving the harness industry to?

well you have to have 2 yearold races at some stage Brodster.

8 youngsters went around in 2 heats at Pukekohe today. They went about 2 minutes to 2.01 so pretty good on that track. They Were a bit strung out though . But hopefully the programmer will give them a race soon.

There are 2 scratchings in the Addington race , so you're being unfair on the Programmer , who is not going to pick that would happen.  was spose to be 5 starters. Why accept for a race then scratch? trainers should be fined for that sort of rubbish lol 😉😂 

Hey the Two (2) x  maiden races are being run for 15k in races 7 and 8 straight after the 2 yearolds on Thursday. So is that the prize you thinking the 2 year-olds should run for instead of 17k that is programmed ? you're probably right.

I'd only run ALL maidens for $9k races if I was doing it lol 🤣😎  save a few bucks that way.

wouldn't be too popular with a trainers and owners though lol. 😆   they'd get used to it quick enough though and actually try and win a race to get better prizemoney when better rating.  that's the way to do it.

[Brodie]

55 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

well you have to have 2 yearold races at some stage Brodster.

8 youngsters went around in 2 heats at Pukekohe today. They went about 2 minutes to 2.01 so pretty good on that track. They Were a bit strung out though . But hopefully the programmer will give them a race soon.

There are 2 scratchings in the Addington race , so you're being unfair on the Programmer , who is not going to pick that would happen.  was spose to be 5 starters. Why accept for a race then scratch? trainers should be fined for that sort of rubbish lol 😉😂 

Hey the Two (2) x  maiden races are being run for 15k in races 7 and 8 straight after the 2 yearolds on Thursday. So is that the prize you thinking the 2 year-olds should run for instead of 17k that is programmed ? you're probably right.

I'd only run ALL maidens for $9k races if I was doing it lol 🤣😎  save a few bucks that way.

wouldn't be too popular with a trainers and owners though lol. 😆   they'd get used to it quick enough though and actually try and win a race to get better prizemoney when better rating.  that's the way to do it.most of us know when there are few nominations the trainers nominate another so that the race gets carded!

Then they scratch it and it then becomes an absolute farce!

If there are not enough 2 year olds ready to race then they need to not program these races until there are enough go race!

Unfortunately HRNZ are not treating racing as a business since Entsin came into the fold with their hundreds of millions gifting!

Harness was struggling financially prior to Entain turning up snd promising to be Father Xmas for 5 years and HRNZ are mismanaging the whole thing.

The TAB at the end if 5 years is going to be losing half of their profit due-to the deal that was struck!

You would have to be very very naive and financially deficient if you believe that things will be flash for harness at the end if the 5 years!

And yet we have people on the media saying how things are so postive in NZ?

Victoria where Anthony Butt has been training up until recently race for as little as $4k!

This is not beyond the realms of possibility here, the way we are being currently managed, whether you like it  or not !

Can Brad Steele come on here and dispute this?

 

 

[Brodie]

1 minute ago, Brodie said:

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

well you have to have 2 yearold races at some stage Brodster.

8 youngsters went around in 2 heats at Pukekohe today. They went about 2 minutes to 2.01 so pretty good on that track. They Were a bit strung out though . But hopefully the programmer will give them a race soon.

There are 2 scratchings in the Addington race , so you're being unfair on the Programmer , who is not going to pick that would happen.  was spose to be 5 starters. Why accept for a race then scratch? trainers should be fined for that sort of rubbish lol 😉😂 

Hey the Two (2) x  maiden races are being run for 15k in races 7 and 8 straight after the 2 yearolds on Thursday. So is that the prize you thinking the 2 year-olds should run for instead of 17k that is programmed ? you're probably right.

I'd only run ALL maidens for $9k races if I was doing it lol 🤣😎  save a few bucks that way.

wouldn't be too popular with a trainers and owners though lol. 😆   they'd get used to it quick enough though and actually try and win a race to get better prizemoney when better rating.  that's the way to do it.most of us know when there are few nominations the trainers nominate another so that the race gets carded!

Then they scratch it and it then becomes an absolute farce!

If there are not enough 2 year olds ready to race then they need to not program these races until there are enough go race!

Unfortunately HRNZ are not treating racing as a business since Entsin came into the fold with their hundreds of millions gifting!

Harness was struggling financially prior to Entain turning up snd promising to be Father Xmas for 5 years and HRNZ are mismanaging the whole thing.

The TAB at the end if 5 years is going to be losing half of their profit due-to the deal that was struck!

You would have to be very very naive and financially deficient if you believe that things will be flash for harness at the end if the 5 years!

And yet we have people on the media saying how things are so postive in NZ?

Victoria where Anthony Butt has been training up until recently race for as little as $4k!

This is not beyond the realms of possibility here, the way we are being currently managed, whether you like it  or not !

Can Brad Steele come on here and dispute this?

 

 

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