king of swing first starter

[the galah]

the first new zealand race starter,by king of swing is running on thursday at addington.Fanfare its name.

its won each of its 4 trials so far,so looks promising.

its a half brother to minstrel and some other handy horses.

The dam is a mach three mare that it looks like the butts have bred 11 foals from the 16 yer old mare,so she already been a good producer.

king of swing certainly a wonderful racehorse and seemingly very intelligent. 

will be interesting to see how fanfare goes.

king of swing was $5000 plus gst last year in nz,$8000 plus gstin aussie.

aussies obviously expected to pay the higher stud fee even though he's based there. Not sure how that works.

Edited 18 hours ago by the galah

[Spatchcock]

2 hours ago, the galah said:

the first new zealand race starter,by king of swing is running on thursday at addington.Fanfare its name.

its won each of its 4 trials so far,so looks promising.

its a half brother to minstrel and some other handy horses.

The dam is a mach three mare that it looks like the butts have bred 11 foals from the 16 yer old mare,so she already been a good producer.

king of swing certainly a wonderful racehorse and seemingly very intelligent. 

will be interesting to see how fanfare goes.

king of swing was $5000 plus gst last year in nz,$8000 plus gstin aussie.

aussies obviously expected to pay the higher stud fee even though he's based there. Not sure how that works.

Because Harness Racing Australia has applied a stallion tax which the studs just pass on to the breeders. 
Plus they implement a book limit of 150 mares.

[Taku Umanga]

5 hours ago, Spatchcock said:

Because Harness Racing Australia has applied a stallion tax which the studs just pass on to the breeders. 
Plus they implement a book limit of 150 mares.

.... and they dropped the NZ fee to make him eligible for the Harness 5000 methinks

[Withadream2]

6 hours ago, Taku Umanga said:

.... and they dropped the NZ fee to make him eligible for the Harness 5000 methinks

I think that’s been a very positive unintended consequence of the 5000 concept. 

[the galah]

2 hours ago, Withadream2 said:

I think that’s been a very positive unintended consequence of the 5000 concept. 

the harness 5000 concept.

i understood that was the concept, where they have a raceday with 60,000 finals, for horses 3 years and older, whose sire was a stallion who had a stud fee that cost $5000 or less.

so what your saying is,  theres breeders out there who have  factored in king of swings stud  fee making their mares foals  eligible, in a minimum of 4 years time ,for a one off race day,as the reason why they chose king of swing.

look,hey,you may be right.  

But are breeders who actually thought like that being smart or just a bit gullible?

Would they be the same breeders who bred to nz stallions 2 or 3 years ago on the promise they would be paid a 10% bonus for stakemoney earned when their progeny, by nz bred  stallions,raced in years to come.Now scrapped.

or would they be the same people who factored in their progeny getting paid $12,000 bonuses when they had their first 2 year old win. That also doesn't apply anymore. 

I don't really keep up with the different bonuses that get announced each year ,just the ones that are announced with much fanfare,but i've noted the obvious,some are quietly scrapped 2 or 3 years later,without any chance of those who factored them in the year they bred,ever getting a chance to have an opportunity to earn them.

so ,while i don't want to put a dampener on anyone who may think the big stakes and the big bonuses will still be around in 4 years, shouldn't they at the very least use some common sense thinking and take a very cautious approach to such hrnz promises.

yes,i know,mr steele has assured everyone that things are looking really positive and are on the right track and there will continue to be all this cash just sloshing around to be paid for the likes of bonuses,after the entain money has been spent,but wheres that money coming from and is that realistic thinking?

i mean,for a stud it may be a good marketing ploy to promote the harness 5000 factor to breeders considering a sire,but have i missed something,as its it appears nothing more thanwishful think on the part of brrders. My guess would be,maybe there will be a harness 5000 in 4 years,maybe not,but the stakes will be reduced significantly if they still exist.

Edited 1 hour ago by the galah