hrnz and their media releases

[the galah]

so the headline currently on the hrnz website is confidence returns,largest breeding increase in 16 years.

hey,i'm not saying its not a good thing numbers are slightly up,but what is obvious is HRNZ are  overplaying  how significant the progress is.

They could have run a headline that said breeding numbers 2nd lowest in history and that would have been just as true.

Peden and steele talk about stabalisation of breeding numbers being so important and i get that,but its also very obvious that there had to be a point where numbers hit rock bottom.

But anyone who thinks the numbers are good,as indicated by the headline,must be kidding themselves.

all that story on hrnz is,is positive spin.

i'm not saying  i don't get why they have run that story,its just they have again way oversold it.

lets remember HRNZ are throwing money around like theres no tomorrow and that includes substanial money being used to incentivise breeding.

personally i just don't get why they can't see big holes in how they are dealing with the industry,including breeding incentives.

Hrnz should  be focusing on creating an environment where breeders have the confidence to continue breeding without the need for hrnz subsidising.

And what happens if and when they can no longer keep stake levels at their current level because they have spent all the money trying to give an impression things are better than they really are.

And i note they said the sires $5000 or under was the main reason the breeding number rose. Up by 231 on the previous year. But of course that also meant the sires over $5000 were down by 132.

now that harness 5000 does seem to have worked for hrnz. I have no idea why anyone with much sense would breed to a harness 5000 on the basis of that it will be eligible for a one off race once a year worth $60,000. But people seem to think like that. My guess is yes there may be that one race they could aim to start in 4 years time but while they realistically have a very small chance of starting in may still be the same,every other race they are running in throughout the year could and probably will be less than what the current stakes are because hrnz is overspending to create that false impression. .

As i said one other time,seeing more breed because  of the harness 5000 is like watching the people silly enough to breed to nz stallions because  hrnz said they would be running for bonuses in years to come,which of course they cancelled beofre anyone got that chance who had bred. But hey,hrnz seem to have sold people on that,so that was a win for hrnz.

Edited March 6 by the galah

[pete cook]

It would be interesting to see a breakdown of the number of mares being bred by the big studs, compared to the so-called hobby breeders

[Brodie]

10 hours ago, the galah said:

so the headline currently on the hrnz website is confidence returns,largest breeding increase in 16 years.

hey,i'm not saying its not a good thing numbers are slightly up,but what is obvious is HRNZ are  overplaying  how significant the progress is.

They could have run a headline that said breeding numbers 2nd lowest in history and that would have been just as true.

Peden and steele talk about stabalisation of breeding numbers being so important and i get that,but its also very obvious that there had to be a point where numbers hit rock bottom.

But anyone who thinks the numbers are good,as indicated by the headline,must be kidding themselves.

all that story on hrnz is,is positive spin.

i'm not saying  i don't get why they have run that story,its just they have again way oversold it.

lets remember HRNZ are throwing money around like theres no tomorrow and that includes substanial money being used to incentivise breeding.

personally i just don't get why they can't see big holes in how they are dealing with the industry,including breeding incentives.

Hrnz should  be focusing on creating an environment where breeders have the confidence to continue breeding without the need for hrnz subsidising.

And what happens if and when they can no longer keep stake levels at their current level because they have spent all the money trying to give an impression things are better than they really are.

And i note they said the sires $5000 or under was the main reason the breeding number rose. Up by 231 on the previous year. But of course that also meant the sires over $5000 were down by 132.

now that harness 5000 does seem to have worked for hrnz. I have no idea why anyone with much sense would breed to a harness 5000 on the basis of that it will be eligible for a one off race once a year worth $60,000. But people seem to think like that. My guess is yes there may be that one race they could aim to start in 4 years time but while they realistically have a very small chance of starting in may still be the same,every other race they are running in throughout the year could and probably will be less than what the current stakes are because hrnz is overspending to create that false impression. .

As i said one other time,seeing more breed because  of the harness 5000 is like watching the people silly enough to breed to nz stallions because  hrnz said they would be running for bonuses in years to come,which of course they cancelled beofre anyone got that chance who had bred. But hey,hrnz seem to have sold people on that,so that was a win for hrnz.

Lol Galah I was going for point out the same thing but would just be a continuation of the way we see things!

The reality is that you would have to be a wee bit naive if you think that going go a cheap stallion was the way to go as it cheapens what your yearling is going to be worth at yearling sales!

Anyway we seem to be wasting our time commenting on how things are going to be when Entain pulls the plug.

If people believe that things are going to be positive for the industry going forward, then good on them for holding that belief.

Very disappointing that Brad Steele, Matt Peden or some one from Entain or other HRNZ spokesperson are

not prepared to come on here and give us some confidence !!

Anyway more beneficial for Brodie to do the study for Reefton on Sunday.

 

Edited March 6 by Brodie

[Nowornever]

What is the total spend by breeders on Stallions and how has this been tracking. Only so much money to go around and I guess you can breed two One Over the Moons instead of one Volstead.

Edited Sunday at 04:25 AM by Nowornever

[the galah]

I just watched a fella called brad reid on the box seat trumpeting how great it was that the number of mares bred was up by 99.

mr reid went on to say how great a job HRNZ had done in stopping the decline.

Now after watching mr reid i came to the conclusion hes just another well meaning spin artist as well.

You see, mr reid said its not rocket science to work out hrnz needed to invest heavily in subsidising breeders through bonuses,cedits earned by fllies and mares who win races,credits per foal for bigger breeders,etc.It sound like its 2-3 million annually.

So Reid said its not rocket science the industry had to artificially introduce those subsidies to stabalise numbers.

so all mr reids done is positively spin the very negative underlying aspect,which is obvious,he after all said it,that  numbers would have declined without the subsidies ..

So all mr reid's done is positively spin the  underlying very negative aspect,whcih to it.

to be honest,i personally just don't think they realise just what they say sometimes, because they are so caught up in trying to make out what a good job hrnze doing.

as to subsidies.

well theres 2 things about that. Its money being diverted from somewhere,hrnz can only spend it once and how long are subsidies sustainable for.

maybe mr reid is too young but perhaps he should have a look back in history to past examples of what happens when you remove subsidies. In the mid 80's all hell broke loose when rogernomics removed the lamb subsidies applied during the muldoon era. Now,i'm not comparing an  industy with 70 million sheep at the time to an industry with 1600 horses,but it was still  a case study of the consequences of what happens when you artifically manipulate something and ignore relaities.

the point i keep making is,if hrnz was truly doing a good job,there would be no need for any subsidies.

Subsidies are just a way of putting off dealing with realities and the longer you put it off,the worse the inpact becomes.