Weasel Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 OP on Melody Belle tomorrow from barrier 13 of 14. Several times recently he's been 'warned' by the spineless stipes for allowing his mount to shift in when not sufficiently clear. I expect that he will do the same tomorrow ...ie carve up an opponent or two or three if needed to save ground for MB. e's a great jock, no question ...I 'll be watching very closely to see how this race pans out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 we're the only one out of danger then cos we are drawn outside him. Just follow him across the plan do you reckon? if he knocks em all over we might be set to pick up second money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Reefton said: we're the only one out of danger then cos we are drawn outside him. Just follow him across the plan do you reckon? if he knocks em all over we might be set to pick up second money? nah..go forward ahead of OP and avoid the carnage that way. good luck, great to see your horse back to her best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 41 minutes ago, Weasel said: nah..go forward ahead of OP and avoid the carnage that way. good luck, great to see your horse back to her best Thanks. It is nice but tomorrow's field is a cut above the group 3's she has been able to beat in recent times. I reckon it is one of the better G1 fields in NZ for quite a while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Reefton said: Thanks. It is nice but tomorrow's field is a cut above the group 3's she has been able to beat in recent times. I reckon it is one of the better G1 fields in NZ for quite a while. personally i wonder what Mtr Waller is up to!! He doesn't come here for nothing and 5th/6th in a Doncaster is good form. If the horse is 100% ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Weasel said: personally i wonder what Mtr Waller is up to!! He doesn't come here for nothing and 5th/6th in a Doncaster is good form. If the horse is 100% ... Yes I wondered about that too. Maybe they are trying to sell him to an NZ stud and need some more G1 form? If he runs up to his best form he ought to have them in deep trouble you would think. Unless Opie carves him up early of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 10 hours ago, Reefton said: Yes I wondered about that too. Maybe they are trying to sell him to an NZ stud and need some more G1 form? If he runs up to his best form he ought to have them in deep trouble you would think. Unless Opie carves him up early of course. this horse won the Apollo Stakes this time last year, beating Happy Clapper (and was 3rd behind Winx in 2017). Midfield in the Doncaster only 4L off the winner .and has won over 1600 ..and handles Slow/Heavy tracks...my query is LEFT HANDED.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Weasel said: this horse won the Apollo Stakes this time last year, beating Happy Clapper (and was 3rd behind Winx in 2017). Midfield in the Doncaster only 4L off the winner .and has won over 1600 ..and handles Slow/Heavy tracks...my query is LEFT HANDED.. There are several in there who love the mud. Melody Belle and The BostonIan for instance. Not much hope for Consensus who does not like it one bit now but I suppose $200K G1 races are not every week. Edited February 22, 2019 by Reefton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Bostonian wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 10 hours ago, Reefton said: There are several in there who love the mud. Melody Belle and The BostonIan for instance. Not much hope for Consensus who does not like it one bit now but I suppose $200K G1 races are not every week. Thought she went a very good race, from a wide draw, you can never write them off, good place price to, hope you got plenty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Shad said: Thought she went a very good race, from a wide draw, you can never write them off, good place price to, hope you got plenty. Wouldn't back her in the mud. Despite the reasonable wet track record she hates it(and apparently didn't handle it a yard today either). Early in her career she did it on class. $20k for third - I get a good chunk of stakemoney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Can't believe you wouldn't back her in a group race, even a small bet. Times must be tough there in reefton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Shad said: Can't believe you wouldn't back her in a group race, even a small bet. Times must be tough there in reefton. I don't live in Reefton I live in Greymouth(but am obviously the RJC President) but there is no point backing your nag just because it is a Group One. It costs a couple of grand to go in it and that is my punt and the stake is my return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Yep, those races aren't cheap to enter that's for sure, interesting she started considering she don't go a yard in it, mind you, I've have heard that old chestnut many times over my life time, so don't let it scare me off a punt, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, Shad said: Yep, those races aren't cheap to enter that's for sure, interesting she started considering she don't go a yard in it, mind you, I've have heard that old chestnut many times over my life time, so don't let it scare me off a punt, that's for sure. CWJ is the second most winning jockey in NZ and will soon be the winningest. If he says she didn't handle it I think I would believe him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, Reefton said: CWJ is the second most winning jockey in NZ and will soon be the winningest. If he says she didn't handle it I think I would believe him. I wouldn't believe everything you hear. She may have preferred better going. But 'subjectively', she handled it as well as anything else. A horse doesn't run like that if they don't 'handle it'. Johnson's opinion is equally' subjective'. It's an easy excuse, Johnson or not. It's like saying Makybe Diva doesn't like firm tracks (given all the bullshit about tracks being doctored for her for the cup). She was good on slow ground and still good on fast ground. Unless you're now suggesting even horses that can't handle it are quite capable in NZ Group ones of footing it. That would say a lot about the competition mind you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Fair call, mind you he did ride horse some time back, never on the track, 3 wide, the trip with big weight on a heavy track, hence to say where he finished, and the feedback, from stipes report was, did handle conditions, needless to say, horse backed up a week later, same track and conditions, different rider, and wins, new rider said he relished conditions, that certainly had me beat, funny to say the horse preformed his best in those conditions there after. Would you believe me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 9 hours ago, mardigras said: I wouldn't believe everything you hear. She may have preferred better going. But 'subjectively', she handled it as well as anything else. A horse doesn't run like that if they don't 'handle it'. Johnson's opinion is equally' subjective'. It's an easy excuse, Johnson or not. It's like saying Makybe Diva doesn't like firm tracks (given all the bullshit about tracks being doctored for her for the cup). She was good on slow ground and still good on fast ground. Unless you're now suggesting even horses that can't handle it are quite capable in NZ Group ones of footing it. That would say a lot about the competition mind you. The man has ridden 2300+ winners. The man said she wasn't handling it (not direct to me obviously as I wasn't there). The man with his vast experience sought out what he believed was the best of the ground to give her the best possible show (which he appeared to do quite well given she ran third). A succession of jockeys have reported after riding her on bad ground that she didn't like it and now you are telling me they are all wrong? Every single one of them? And that somehow out of being unbalanced and uncomfortable and giving the bloke or lady who was right there a bad feeling she was actually enjoying it??? You should get a job working for Donald Trump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Isn't the proof of the pudding an assessment of her performance yesterday relative to other horses cf. her performance against those same horses or similar on different track surfaces? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, curious said: Isn't the proof of the pudding an assessment of her performance yesterday relative to other horses cf. her performance against those same horses or similar on different track surfaces? I'd have thought so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshu Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I cannot believe people are questioning CWJ ability to weather he knows if a horse handles wet or dry tracks.I am pretty sure he would know after having ridden in over 20,000 races in his time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Reefton said: The man has ridden 2300+ winners. The man said she wasn't handling it (not direct to me obviously as I wasn't there). The man with his vast experience sought out what he believed was the best of the ground to give her the best possible show (which he appeared to do quite well given she ran third). A succession of jockeys have reported after riding her on bad ground that she didn't like it and now you are telling me they are all wrong? Every single one of them? And that somehow out of being unbalanced and uncomfortable and giving the bloke or lady who was right there a bad feeling she was actually enjoying it??? You should get a job working for Donald Trump. I didn't say she was enjoying it. But she was certainly handling it. Subjectively. Seems an opinion that is different to yours is akin to Donald Trump. Certainly I'd imagine if Donald Trump claimed he had a horse that doesn't handle wet ground after running a close third in a G1 in decent time, - he'd be told it was fake news. Yet you seem to think the other way around applies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, theshu said: I cannot believe people are questioning CWJ ability to weather he knows if a horse handles wet or dry tracks.I am pretty sure he would know after having ridden in over 20,000 races in his time. I've ridden a few gallops with CWJ in my time. I do not question his judgement for a moment. I admire it. That does not change my assessment of a horse's performance against their expected performance regardless of track condition. Edited February 23, 2019 by curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 The man says she didn't handle it. He has ridden thousands of winners. He was sitting on her back yet you lot from miles away know better than he does. Foik no wonder I don't back any winners. I am relying on the advice of all the wrong people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) If you rely on the advice and comments and other hearsay of the likes of jockeys and trainers you will end up in the losing punters bin for sure. That's what Thommo does. Edited February 23, 2019 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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