Yankiwi Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 This is the first time of heard about this being a problem. https://www.grnz.co.nz/News.aspx?NewsID=3143 I wonder if this would have any relationship with my suggestion of having a neon "Chemist" sign being erected in the Wanganui trainers car park area? Steroids can do some funny things to people/animals... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwigreys Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 50 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: This is the first time of heard about this being a problem. https://www.grnz.co.nz/News.aspx?NewsID=3143 I wonder if this would have any relationship with my suggestion of having a neon "Chemist" sign being erected in the Wanganui trainers car park area? Steroids can do some funny things to people/animals... Wonder if the Cole kennels will help with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enuff is enoug Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 It is not only the dogs blind in the C.D. Whitethrob has been pulling himself for years and quite frankly the sooner he fucks off to Taupo and his little swamp of a section the better.:) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gambler Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 FFS. What a stupid bloody idiotic peace of bull shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mischief managed Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Would you guys get over the Cole situation and making out like hes the only thing happening in the industry. This eye issue is a big concern. No it's not just CD based but that is where the study is being conducted. There is interested parties following this all over the country and it has been looked at for the last year nationwide by smaller parties as it has the potential to heavily affect racing and rehoming of future dogs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockyaleg Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 This is a big concern MM and needs to be taken seriously as you say. There has been anecdotal evidence that links blindness with worming drenches not specific to dogs, and not worming correctly during puppy rearing. I would be very keen to follow researchers progress. I hope they can identify the causes quickly. 9 minutes ago, Mischief managed said: Would you guys get over the Cole situation and making out like hes the only thing happening in the industry. This eye issue is a big concern. No it's not just CD based but that is where the study is being conducted. There is interested parties following this all over the country and it has been looked at for the last year nationwide by smaller parties as it has the potential to heavily affect racing and rehoming of future dogs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gambler Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 After speaking to a top trainer I must apologize. It is a genuine problem 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted May 14, 2019 Author Share Posted May 14, 2019 My question is, why is the problem identified as being in the CD? There's plenty of dogs north of the CD & even more than what's in the CD to the south. It's more than coincidence that most bombshells are all first heard coming from the CD.... Where are the most dogs dropping dead at the lure? Why do sardines in the CD have synthetic (not found in nature)opioids in them? Why was it the CD board rep (at the time) the one caught relaying what drugs the RIU can't test for to their trainer? Why was it that a CD trainer was charged by the SPCA for live baiting? My BIG issue for years now is not so much what some of the CD trainers are up to, it's either inability or corruption within GRNZ and/or the RIU that's allowed them to get away with it. Denis, in the north had a positive Meth swab for a dog. Denis had his livelihood taken away from him, for at least 2 years, yet it never was determined where it came from, nor was there any doubt that it wasn't purposely administered... A CD trainer recently faced 3 charges for his dogs from positive swabs for synthetic opioids, he got a fine. It's now rumoured that he'll be facing a 4th charge for the same drug. It's not a level playing field whatsoever. The CD is a protected species & there is a reason for it. It's too bad we can't ask the blind sight-hounds for the answer as to why they can't see, nor can we explain to them how much better life would be, if they never lived in the CD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mischief managed Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: My question is, why is the problem identified as being in the CD? It's not identified as being in the CD. Nz's top canine eye specialist is CD based hence the investigation is beginning there 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockyaleg Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Yankiwi, Craig Irving is the eye specialist in Palmerston North so the majority of his patients are in the lower North Island. Through his practice, he identified a prevalence of blindness in greys. Having spoken to a number of retired grey owners seen, there are many possible causes. Worming is one. To say this is a CD only problem is misleading. There is no data available from other areas. The CD will become a stand-alone study which could be followed on in other regions later. Please give them a chance to identify the causes before jumping to conclusions. There may well be some merit in what you are saying, but right now there is no proof what so ever. 31 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: My question is, why is the problem identified as being in the CD? There's plenty of dogs north of the CD & even more than what's in the CD to the south. It's more than coincidence that most bombshells are all first heard coming from the CD.... Where are the most dogs dropping dead at the lure? Why do sardines in the CD have synthetic (not found in nature)opioids in them? Why was it the CD board rep (at the time) the one caught relaying what drugs the RIU can't test for to their trainer? Why was it that a CD trainer was charged by the SPCA for live baiting? My BIG issue for years now is not so much what some of the CD trainers are up to, it's either inability or corruption within GRNZ and/or the RIU that's allowed them to get away with it. Denis, in the north had a positive Meth swab for a dog. Denis had his livelihood taken away from him, for at least 2 years, yet it never was determined where it came from, nor was there any doubt that it wasn't purposely administered... A CD trainer recently faced 3 charges for his dogs from positive swabs for synthetic opioids, he got a fine. It's now rumoured that he'll be facing a 4th charge for the same drug. It's not a level playing field whatsoever. The CD is a protected species & there is a reason for it. It's too bad we can't ask the blind sight-hounds for the answer as to why they can't see, nor can we explain to them how much better life would be, if they never lived in the CD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted May 14, 2019 Author Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) Quotes from the advisory... "Veterinarians at EyeVet Services, Craig Irving and Petra Price, have diagnosed a concerning number of greyhound dogs in the Manawatu with blindness due to retinal disease." "GRNZ has contracted EyeVet Services to determine the proportion of dogs in the Manawatu affected by this disease and identify if there are any patterns associated with these animals that could help our understanding." "GRNZ is seeking participation of the greyhound trainers in the Manawatu and Wanganui area to be involved in this project." Edited May 14, 2019 by Yankiwi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockyaleg Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: Quotes from the advisory... "Veterinarians at EyeVet Services, Craig Irving and Petra Price, have diagnosed a concerning number of greyhound dogs in the Manawatu with blindness due to retinal disease." "GRNZ has contracted EyeVet Services to determine the proportion of dogs in the Manawatu affected by this disease and identify if there are any patterns associated with these animals that could help our understanding." "GRNZ is seeking participation of the greyhound trainers in the Manawatu and Wanganui area to be involved in this project." That's where the majority of his patients are. The two largest rehoming agencies are in the CD. They take in greys from all over the country for rehoming. So greys rehomed here could be from other areas. The study will be done close to him for convenience. He is the only specialist who has bothered to accumulate data. There is no available data from other regions so you cannot conclude the Manawatu has a higher incidence than anywhere else. You are reading more into the advisory then is stated. A Edited May 14, 2019 by Cockyaleg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrossCodes Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 20 minutes ago, Cockyaleg said: That's where the majority of his patients are. The two largest rehoming agencies are in the CD. They take in greys from all over the country for rehoming. So greys rehomed here could be from other areas. The study will be done close to him for convenience. He is the only specialist who has bothered to accumulate data. There is no available data from other regions so you cannot conclude the Manawatu has a higher incidence than anywhere else. You are reading more into the advisory then is stated. A I hope they take the genetic element into account as well. Possibly some certain greyhound lines are more susceptible to blindness than others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenic Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 15 hours ago, Yankiwi said: Steroids can do some funny things to people/animals... Not to sure if steroids are the issue regarding the eyes but can tell you that by using “ Arsenic “ certainly creates a problem with the eyes . Must be in the water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwigreys Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 47 minutes ago, Arsenic said: Not to sure if steroids are the issue regarding the eyes but can tell you that by using “ Arsenic “ certainly creates a problem with the eyes . Must be in the water Or the sardines and tomato on toast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mischief managed Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 17 hours ago, Yankiwi said: Steroids can do some funny things to people/animals... This quote is accusing a lot of people of giving steroids to their dogs. Including myself... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iteruka Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 I had a litter of six pups. Three of them went blind. I have never and would never give my dogs any sort of drug that could affect them in any way. No vet can tell me why they went blind. They assume worms but I have my doubts. There are others here in the cd that have had one in a litter go blind. I am grateful that they are looking into why this has happened and have put my hand up for my dogs to be part of this testing (now all happily retired and living out their lives with us) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockyaleg Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 For anyone interested in inherited retinal disease. Purebreds appear to have a much higher risk. This is a clinical conversation. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4480793/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockyaleg Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Further to the above, 5 toxins known to cause canine blindness. NOTE: Ivermectin is first on the list. https://www.aspcapro.org/resource/shelter-health-poison-control/five-toxins-can-cause-blindness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iteruka Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Cockyaleg said: For anyone interested in inherited retinal disease. Purebreds appear to have a much higher risk. This is a clinical conversation. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4480793/ Makes sense, especially in Greyhounds, as there has been a lot of in-breeding/ line breeding for generations, so there was always going to come a time when that would show through. Now that dogs are given a chance to live longer, there have been more cancers, eye problems etc that would not have shown in the days when they were pts after racing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mischief managed Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Cockyaleg said: For anyone interested in inherited retinal disease. Purebreds appear to have a much higher risk. This is a clinical conversation. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4480793/ This is not a genetic version of blindness.. hence the research into it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockyaleg Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Mischief managed said: This is not a genetic version of blindness.. hence the research into it I included the information as Yankiwi stated "This is the first time of heard about this being a problem." There may be others that are also unaware of the part genetics plays in canine blindness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted May 15, 2019 Author Share Posted May 15, 2019 During my time in & around the greyhound industry (in NZ), I only recall one discussion revolving around the sight of a greyhound and that was with iteruka. While I've never claimed as to knowing everything there is to know about greyhounds, I still found the advisory to be quite a surprise to me. All the talks I've had & all that I have read (GRNZ & forums), yet I had only heard of the one dog where vision was even a concern. Good on the vet & GRNZ for taking this on. Maybe I'm so used to everything getting swept under the carpet, my response to seeing some action had become rusty. All this time I thought it was only Stewards that couldn't see properly. Maybe there's a doctor will to take that study on too... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Short Stuff Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Can anyone say how many dogs.Are the litter mates blind as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehe Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 What I cant understand is why one would breed from a greyhound that has gone blind I have been told this week that there was a trainer who had done this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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