Thomass Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 What a farce of farcical proportions... First off we're told there's "confusion" about were the start is... Oh that's right...it's up there...a shute somewhere...where the stalls either cant go or they're too late to shift them?? Looked like the Duck Shoot range actually.... So the Starter got his Starters license from the local Dairy obviously...and allows the subsequent leader..and winner...a running start rather than the rest who are rolling.... ...got a 6L break in no time then....Stipes Inquiry after..."no problem"...great Started looking like a race...then they go off grid to which the caller..Basil....yes Faulty Towers coming up...labels the area "Puddle alley" 3 times...ok we get it now... Its obviously a shit heap of a place where only ducks would venture...right? Thats right..the horse in 2nd place promptly slips over on the flat...'puddle alley' took its first victim...don't worry about the fences...it's obviously the flat that's hard to negotiate... ...out the back, the stablemate of the first 'flat faller', goes out in sympathy losing its back legs in an inglorious display of failing to dodge the puddles in 'puddle alley'... ...it looked more like quicksand though...and they disappeared into the alley...of puddles... Puddles 2 Fences 0 So obviously the Stipes would have 'enquired' into the fact two horses got taken down by the puddles...in the alley...was it safe...pre race...or suddenly developed holes...quicksand?? You guessed it...not a dickybird about it...just 'lost their footing' ffs Sort yaselves out 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Wondered if that debacle was going to get a mention..yeah.. running start for one...the eventual winner...that portion of the track around the corner is known as Puddle Alley for obvious reasons; Neill Ridley said yesterday that it has always been a shit of a corner. Some years ago I had a runner down there - Finians Rainbow, ridden by Lisa Young and no slug in the wet - slid for 50 metres on his belly in that exact same spot. The track was closed and 'fixed ' after that, winter racing/jumping was held at Oamaru for a season or two. Worked, obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 Needs 'fixing' again by the looks! Mark Davidson in charge...he's usually all over things like this isn't he Freda? Punters, at the very least, deserved a post race inspection of the track after they did they Money cold...other stakeholders as well...and into future racing there Observe the completely unsatisfactory Stipe report from the hopeless RIU ADEQUACY (S Karnicnik) – Poor leap at the fence near the 2000 metres.IRISH DUDE (T Moki) – Poor leap at the fence near the 2000 metres. Lost its footing and fell on entering the back straight dislodging its rider.GO GO GONZO (G Walsh) – Poor leap at the fence near the 2000 metres. PADDY OWEN (S Higgins) – Poor leap at the fence near the 2000 metres. Lost its footing and fell on entering the back straight dislodging its rider. REGALO REAAL (M Gillies) – Poor leap at the fence near the 1200 metres. DELACROIX (J Seivwright) – Poor leap at the last fence. Prior to authorisation of placings Stewards reviewed footage of the flag start and were satisfied that ADEQUACY had not gained an unfair advantage at the start. Hahahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 So Earily asks Godber today... Mikey Mikey Mikey..we've been talking for years and these flag starts continually have problems"?? Mikey...now upset..."oh yes welllllllll. We've spoken with NZTR again and we relly relly encourage them to start these races from the stalls...besides over 2 miles it doesn't matter does it"? ffs...YES IT DOES!! oh great...but it never happens does it Mike...they just do as they please these Clubs.... ...and so do the Starters...very reluctant to call any horse back...who cares if one gets a jump start eh Boys" Then Earily clean forgot to mention to Mike that the hopeless RIU....didn't even bother to inspect the track...after two slipped on the flat in 'Puddle f in Alley' f me Hopeless is as Hopeless RIU does eh Mike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 On 3/06/2019 at 12:03 PM, Freda said: Wondered if that debacle was going to get a mention..yeah.. running start for one...the eventual winner...that portion of the track around the corner is known as Puddle Alley for obvious reasons; Neill Ridley said yesterday that it has always been a shit of a corner. Some years ago I had a runner down there - Finians Rainbow, ridden by Lisa Young and no slug in the wet - slid for 50 metres on his belly in that exact same spot. The track was closed and 'fixed ' after that, winter racing/jumping was held at Oamaru for a season or two. Worked, obviously. So Puddle Alley is also the name of the back Road! But Basil was definitely intimating the area was 'puddling' wasn't he? And I see they got funding to fix that area from the dodgy Pokie 'transfer of funds' malarkey! But even if there was no dangerous piddling puddles....and it was Jockey error in going around that bend too fast....although one was a good way past that bend to be fear... ...the corner could be far too sharp...and you can't have horses slipping on the flat and calling it Jockey error every time...Shirley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Thomass said: So Puddle Alley is also the name of the back Road! But Basil was definitely intimating the area was 'puddling' wasn't he? And I see they got funding to fix that area from the dodgy Pokie 'transfer of funds' malarkey! But even if there was no dangerous piddling puddles....and it was Jockey error in going around that bend too fast....although one was a good way past that bend to be fear... ...the corner could be far too sharp...and you can't have horses slipping on the flat and calling it Jockey error every time...Shirley? Nope, course not. Just more head scratching from officials and no decisions anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 Well that's the excuse from Mark Davidson.... ....and he's by far the best Stipe down there imho... Its pretty clear both horses had negotiated the corner and were on a gradual turn rather than sharp... ...at the very least riders should have been interviewed and their opinions aired in the report... ...or riders cautioned about the sharp turn...before the race... if that's what the Stipe thinks occurred..."rider error"...given the high number of relatively new jumps Jocks down there? ..and nothing to do with 'Puddle alley' yea na Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Pfft.....I agree, Mark is a decent bloke and very approachable....but how bad can a rider be to cause his horse to fall arse over kick on the flat in a straight-ish line? Just get Foskett to come back and give some advice to the Dunedin staff......? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 7, 2019 Author Share Posted June 7, 2019 Haha..but get this..he said it was on a "sharp bend" If that's "sharp" then I'm an old Goat with big floppy pointy ears... ...but get this from Godbarrrr on the radio Wednesday "if it's a Flag start Punters should factor that in their investments....and seeing as the race is 2 Miles...it doesn't really matter" WTF? No wonder we're in the shit with our 'INTEGRITY' If a starter in the U.K. Grand National can bring 40 horses back, as he's done ccountless times over the years...for a restart ....our starter can pull back a handful...Shirley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Clearly not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 9, 2019 Author Share Posted June 9, 2019 So yet another joke of a start by Philips in the Trentham Flag start Chase yesterday... ...bizarrely he lines them up on the point of a turn...as per usual..when will he learn??... facing the stand...rather than parallel to the first fence.... ...so he drops his arm... obviously the inside horses are now at least 6L closer to the first fence than the outside horses....although the 'outside horse drew one!!..more on that hilarious stuff soon... ...imagine if you will...Starting the Derby on the point of a turn...rather than a normal straight run?? Doesn't happen anywhere in the World! So to the 'barrier' draw...shouldn't relly matter in a normal Chase... ...here it does though...weirdly, someone's thought we'll give the outside Barrier to the horse that's drawn 1....because the next turn is right handed due to the figure 8 course... That dubious honour went to OUR COUNTESS ...who started on the point of the turn way out from the rail...and many lengths from the nereast horse to the rail...and closest to the first fence Hahahaha...Tony Lee then had the audacity to say "even start...Oh although OUR COUNTESS dropped off already" Yea yea Tow Knee....the field Started off anything but parallel to the first fence... ...instead facing the stand...hence the inside horse...drawn the outer...Was closet to the fence...by at least 6 L... Work that out if you can...Its beyond Philips and the RIU...and they're geniuses ...so you've got no hope 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kihikihi Kid Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Add 200m or 150m or 250m to the race and start on the course proper using the gates, simple fix you'd think ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 9, 2019 Author Share Posted June 9, 2019 Too true!! But that'd be too obvious and undermine their opinion they're World class 'flag starters' who can follow the Starters Manual rules as set down in sub section 5 (ii) "Common sense rules...ok?" When in fact reversing the Barrier order is the thing to do...a counterintuitive move where Punters could possibly expect the left hand Course rule applies... in all circumstances? ...and starting the field on the point of the turn...facing the stand instead of the first fence...which makes the inside horse...who drew the outside barrier... ...an advantaged combatant...I.e. they're at least 20M closer to the first jump... ...where Punters finally realising this after years of f ups...think they've got it covered by backing an on pace runner who drew one...but in reality had a 20M penalty at the start.... ...sorry for repeating meself but I'm still trying to get my head around their 'common sense' understanding... ..and then keeping in mind RIU's Godber's statement that... "Punters should factor in Flag starts possible unfairness...and it doesn't matter if some runners get a 20m start...over such a long distance" Similar to that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Oh....ffs.....the Poms get it right with 20 plus runners....make them watch a few videos.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 Too true...if our neddys were taught to stay close and on the trit trot quickstep... Im picking the reverse, counter intuitive, barrier idea that Trentham operates is the idea of The Jumping Association and Den Ryan though... ...but they forgot to tell anyone else...including Punters...who keep the Jumping game going... " just get on Punters...forget the starts...but you better factor that in to your punting...allowing some may get a jump on the field...oh and then fall on the flat in some puddles....oh yea and then fail to see the sighter boards as they're the wrong colour for horses... ...Just factor all that stuff in and you'll be tickety boo hoo" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 24, 2019 Author Share Posted June 24, 2019 So at least the Stipes actually questioned why a Chaser fell on the flat yesterday... ...of course we all know the 'Stipes' read this site...so they know how to do their jobs properly... ...they found the ground to be at fault...and decided not to race on that ground for the next... ...as opposed to the WINGATUI horror show... ...where there were 2 fallers on the flat..within 20M of each other ...and not a question asked...ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 27, 2019 Author Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) Don't forget the MEMO from RIU's Gobbder for today... If you're punting the Steeples there at Wingas.... ...you have to factor in the chance of a neddy getting a flying start if it's a Flag Start...or maybe it's not today?? ...and anyway..it's a way long race and they can catch up... ...even though the one horse who got the flyer last start...WON So roll up roll up..this is GAMBLING NZ style...or RIU Style The GAMBLE you take where there's no INTEGRITY involved... Thanks for the reminder memo Mike Gobbder Oh PS...the two Chasers who fell on the flat there last start... It was RIDER ERROR...ok?? Absolutely nothing to do with the f'ed up Chase course labelled PUDDLE ALLEY by the commentator...which is what the road is named over there... Now GAMBLE away you losers Edited June 27, 2019 by Thomass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 28, 2019 Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 Big ups to Jase Teaz today in confirming that PUDDLE ALLEY is not only a road..but a Steeple Course as well "and yes Thomass..this is called Puddle Alley" Sad Jase is calling it a day down that way...an excellent multi talented cross code caller who knows far more than moi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Yip heard that. I agree but I heard him say that its his last day calling at Wingas - what's happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Will Matt Cross be taking over from Mark McNamara? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 28, 2019 Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 16 hours ago, Mark D said: Yip heard that. I agree but I heard him say that its his last day calling at Wingas - what's happening? Something about too long away from family and the travel back to and from the North I think mark.. ...you have to hand it to him how well he handles all codes imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 'Goose' has had a long apprenticeship -I recall him as a teenager doing the trials and hoping for a 'real;' job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Well he certainly has been well travelled and has worked hard over the past few years. Would be a shame if he was lost to the commentating game completely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted June 30, 2019 Author Share Posted June 30, 2019 Well his Father certainly was a hard worker as well as a hard case... ...I recall him delivering his mare to the stud I was working on and you could see he was a real salt of the earth type... ...a Chook farmer if I remember rightly...is that how got his nickname Goose then Fred? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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