Thomass Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 The Racing Industry knows it's got problems if 2 senior Jockeys in Lammas & Waddell are found guilty of Class A drug offences. Drug offending tends to be a pernicious thing...A buys off B...promises payment next week....can't afford it next week... ...you get the picture...standover tactics, blackmail, gangs et el Something abhorrent in a big money Industry such as racing/gambling So the revelation that Waddell admitted that "cannabis is a big part of my life" as part of his past riding career is shocking in itself. Having escaped months without receiving a drug test comes as no surprise though. We all know the RIU's drug testing protocols, both horse and rider, are WOEFUL! Remember the first time they ventured North to Ruakaka last year,over 20 years since testing was established, they found a number of track riders testing positive. So you'd think with Waddell's atrocious record of serious racing offences including meth and threatening behaviour to other Jockeys et el... ...the RIU would have been requiring drug testing every 3 months through the far more reliable hair testing...surely? This also shows up meth use which has a withholding period of 48hrs in urine. Yea na to that... So just how long was Waddell allowed to ride while relaxed and toked out without being tested...or methed out and excited, who knows...just witness his daring but selfish ride in the Oaks this year..extremely dangerous riding for sure... The history of the RIU in allowing 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances to multiple offending such as Waddell's is simply awful The worst recent case, Jockey Morgenrood applying for a NZ licence...the RIU's Cruikshank and Oatham investigated his appalling Sth African record and said... "Its unlikely he'll abuse the privilege if we grant him an A licence" This year he threatened to end the career of his ex partner by engineering her fall...among other things The RIU/NZTR's PATHETIC protocols around serious racing offences and how they're handled leaves the Industry open for widespread ridicule when offenders are allowed to roam free, unchecked, casting even more approbrium on our fragile Industry. http://www.jca.org.nz/non-race-day-hearings/non-raceday-inquiry-riu-v-j-waddell-reserved-decision-dated-3-december-2020-chair-mr-p-wicks-qc-1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 So let's compare Chris Johnson's case with that of Waddell and Morgenrood... 2 shocking examples of historical past serious racing offences compared to Johnson who was just over the 100 mark...130...when driving a car is over 200... Did Morgenrood and Waddell have to provide proof like Johnson had to that they weren't up to their old ways of either violence and/ or drug use by providing susbstantive hair follicle proof covering 3 monthly intervals?? The answer is NO of course... Left free to choose whatever path they wanted....with disastrous consequences for the negative publicity they ultimately left the industry with... ...Meanwhile a small level 30 over for Johnson...and numerous safe guards for for him cf Waddell ...read and weep Johnson admitted the positive test and was suspended until October 16 and was fined $1000. That appeared to be the end of the incident for Johnson, who has admitted his previous battles with the bottle but is adamant he has that under control and he did not drink heavily the night before the failed test or on raceday. That has been backed by sources close to him who have spoken to the Herald. But last week Johnson was sent a letter informing him his licence had been reviewed by NZTR's licensing panel and he was not able to ride again "until such time as NZTR can be satisfied that your riding does not pose an elevated risk of harm to yourself or others". That confusing part for Johnson and his supporters is that he has not been examined by a medical professional in person since his suspension was handed down. NZTR chief executive Bernard Saundry confirmed his organisation's stance but says they want to work with Johnson as his welfare and that of his fellow jockeys and horses is paramount. Johnson is understood to have taken legal advice and is visiting a medical specialist in the field of alcohol dependency in Christchurch this week to obtain an independent assessment in the hope of regaining his licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 FFS we've covered this ages ago - keep up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 7, 2020 Author Share Posted December 7, 2020 Methinks others would have read that I was comparing CJ's case of managed supervision with ex Meth users of nada supervision... Maybe they've changed their modus operandi after a blast from H & S that having sfa drug testing then someone dying after being hit by a drugged Jockey....or badly injured.... ...amounts to negligence on behalf of the Governing body who oversees drug detection If Lammas gets the same public vilification that Johnson received when he returns...of 3 monthly hair follicle testing for the first year.. .Just to make sure he's not doing a 'Waddell'..."Cannabis is a big part of my life"...while riding And Lammis will have plenty of options of where to pluck a follicle.. ..especially over winter in his beard growing season...as opposed to Waddell who shaved his noggin..for some reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Thomass said: Methinks others would have read that I was comparing CJ's case of managed supervision with ex Meth users of nada supervision... What managed supervision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 3 hours ago, curious said: What managed supervision? Clearly the withdrawing of his license longer than normal..."until he admitted he had a problem" according to NZTR...39 tests in 9 years ...and now forcing him into the Sally's program... Waddell admitted "C is a big part of my life" That indicates he's been riding on it for some time doesn't it...to become so "big"? Without detection...no hair follicle test required...shaved head...very convenient if he shaves everywhere as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Thomass said: ...and now forcing him into the Sally's program... I think you'll find that is bs. Check your sauces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 Look we all know you're a limp wristed lefty C...who wants to hold up the right to free speech and dare I say it... ...a Meth Jockey able to continue to ply their trade once a ban of a ban is over...only to get banned again.. Im more the fascist when it comes to drug use in the industry... You get one chance and your gonnnne if you commit a Serious Racing Offence Go and do something else in another Industry and f up theirs instead Here...this looks like dinky dye sauce to me 8. The RIU is strongly of the opinion that Mr Johnson needs to recognise he has an ongoing problem with alcohol and needs assistance to commit to a treatment plan, as he has in the past. This is for his own welfare and to ensure that he does not put himself and others at risk in the future, and that he has professional support that will enable him to return to racing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Doesn't prove that CWJ was instructed to go to the "Sally's" and that was a condition of his returning to race riding. As for your hair follicle BS there are limitations with that as well. It takes a week for the hair to grow enough to show a drug result i.e. if you have taken drugs within the last 7 days but not before that then it won't show. Sure the drug will be detectable for up to 90 days but you can't actually determine when it was taken. Further they are not very accurate. In 2015, researchers at the Friends Research Institute in Baltimore, Maryland, conducted a study examining the effectiveness of hair follicle drug tests. The researchers compared self-reported drug use with hair follicle test results from 360 adults at risk for moderate drug use. According to the results of the study, hair follicle drug testing correctly identified: 52.3 percent of people who reported recent marijuana use 65.2 percent of people who reported recent cocaine use 24.2 percent of people who reported recent amphetamine use 2.9 percent of people who reported recent opioid use In a 2017 study, researchers compared the results of hair follicle drug tests with self-reported drug use from 3643 participants. Compared to the researcher’s expectations, the test results produced fewer potential false positives, but more potential false negatives. Due to the study results, the researchers concluded that hair follicle tests do not provide reliable information regarding drug use in the general population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Thomass said: 8. The RIU is strongly of the opinion that Mr Johnson needs to recognise he has an ongoing problem with alcohol and needs assistance to commit to a treatment plan, as he has in the past. This is for his own welfare and to ensure that he does not put himself and others at risk in the future, and that he has professional support that will enable him to return to racing. I guess that's when the RIU figured they were AOD specialists and I don't actually see any mention of the Sallies. Where did you get that idea from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 Look chaps this isn't a 'gottya thread...ok? So McKerrow is with the Sallies and I don't care if he's signed up for the 6 steps this time after doing the 12 steps previously....besides Johnson says he meets up with McKerrow when he needs help as well... Whats the biggy? 17. It is submitted that a 4-6 weeks suspension of Mr Johnson’s raceday Jockey Licence and a fine of $1,000 be imposed, with leave of the JCA to consider suspending the fine subject to Mr Johnson satisfactorily completing an alcohol rehabilitation programme as set down by Ms D Young in consultation with Raceday Chaplain, Mr Andrew McKerrow, and approved by the RIU. So Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 Of course as part of these ex Meth heads drug tests the usual urine tests would be de riguer as well..goes without saying... The whole point being 'shit on the Racing Industry that gives you a job' and pay the price of closely managed supervision... ...if the RIU are silly enough to give you a second chance... Just as they did with Morgenrood..."we're sure he won't abuse the opportunity we've given him" pfffft John Oatham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Thomass said: Look chaps this isn't a 'gottya thread...ok? So McKerrow is with the Sallies and I don't care if he's signed up for the 6 steps this time after doing the 12 steps previously....besides Johnson says he meets up with McKerrow when he needs help as well... Whats the biggy? 17. It is submitted that a 4-6 weeks suspension of Mr Johnson’s raceday Jockey Licence and a fine of $1,000 be imposed, with leave of the JCA to consider suspending the fine subject to Mr Johnson satisfactorily completing an alcohol rehabilitation programme as set down by Ms D Young in consultation with Raceday Chaplain, Mr Andrew McKerrow, and approved by the RIU. So He chose to pay the fine didn't he? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 24 minutes ago, curious said: He chose to pay the fine didn't he? Mate let it go....this thread is about the yard long JCA report about CW being way under the car driving limit...lcf to Lammis's way more serious Meth charge.... But just to tidy this up..so you can get some sleep and stop annoying peeps... Johnson said YES to the Sallies...as indeed should you if you can't understand this Mr Oatham said that he supported part of Mr Johnson’s penalty being suspended, subject to him undergoing some form of counselling. A discussion followed and Mr Johnson indicated that he was willing to seek counselling with assistance from Mr Andrew McKerrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 You said he was in managed supervision and forced into the Sallies programme. Once again you are talking bs and have no evidence to support those claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 36 minutes ago, curious said: You said he was in managed supervision and forced into the Sallies programme. Once again you are talking bs and have no evidence to support those claims. When one 'forces' something into a wee hole it's 'pressure' from all sides... They 'pressured' him into agreeing to go back to the Sallies... To which he agreed Hes being 'managed'...as indicated by the 39 tests in 9 years... Managed supervision Hope that helps...now move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Thomass said: Hes being 'managed'...as indicated by the 39 tests in 9 years... You imply that CWJ is being "managed" differently to everyone else. Over 9 years what is the average number of tests that a Jockey will have had? Can you give us the standard deviation (a measure of variation) for this number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 56 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: You imply that CWJ is being "managed" differently to everyone else. Over 9 years what is the average number of tests that a Jockey will have had? Can you give us the standard deviation (a measure of variation) for this number? Of course he is...NZTR FORCED CW to prove he was no longer dependent...other meth heads like Lammis and Waddell only had to serve their suspension with time off for attending re hab "But during that suspension Johnson was also notified by NZTR his licence was suspended until he could show he was no longer alcohol- dependent." Unless they've had a change of protocols after being embarrassed by RIU's Oatham recommendation to give Morgenrood his licence back...with a rap sheet that Bonnie's Clyde would've been proud of.. Unbelievable incompetence yet again from RIU resulting in terrible publicity for the Industry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Thomass said: Of course he is...NZTR FORCED CW to prove he was no longer dependent...other meth heads like Lammis and Waddell only had to serve their suspension with time off for attending re hab "But during that suspension Johnson was also notified by NZTR his licence was suspended until he could show he was no longer alcohol- dependent." Really? And how do you know he didn't tell them to get stuffed? If they asked every licence holder to prove that, they would likely have a bloody long list and could start a new department to manage/supervise them all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) Cant you read? He agreed he'd get counselling from the Sally chaplain again...after being pressurised by the RIU...before he got his licence back... read FORCED... Im picking they'll be attaching a horsey Alchohol Interlock device to his moosh before he's allowed on a horse every meeting... You should get one before you're allowed to post too... Edited December 9, 2020 by Thomass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 I'm starting to wonder if the Christmas anxiety issues might be starting earlier this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 41 minutes ago, Thomass said: Cant you read? He agreed he'd get counselling from the Sally chaplain again...after being pressurised by the RIU...before he got his licence back... read FORCED... Im picking they'll be attaching a horsey Alchohol Interlock device to his moosh before he's allowed on a horse every meeting... You should get one before you're allowed to post too... I'm afraid that's completely wrong. As I said, check your sauces. Your current ones need spicing up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Thomass said: Cant you read? He agreed he'd get counselling from the Sally chaplain again...after being pressurised by the RIU...before he got his licence back... read FORCED... Im picking they'll be attaching a horsey Alchohol Interlock device to his moosh before he's allowed on a horse every meeting... You should get one before you're allowed to post too... Thommo, you are usually pretty much on the money. In this case, you aren't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 Guysngals...it's all in writing...even a 5yo can follow Ok you 4yo's... "Johnson visited a medical specialist in Christchurch this week and the NZTR panel was satisfied with what they were told as he is now free to ride again" So bubs...it's time you were out of diapers?.. Alors...this case wasn't normal...I.e. Upon finishing his suspension NZTR weren't issuing back his licence... Until he agreed to Oathams demands that he return to the Sallies man...as well as visit a Medical Specialist in Alchoholism... All agreed to and completed by CWJ...licence returned But this is all superfluous fluff to the main contention that stakeholders participating in Serious Racing offences such as Class A meth... ...and torturing horses with a jigger while in the confined space of a treadmill... ...simply don't deserve a 2nd chance Go find another Industry to screw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Definitely Christmas anxiety. Thom-ass is back to writing fiction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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