When you have a Government Agency such as the DIA writing Racing policy...

[NZRacing]

and legislation change for the Racing Minister it's not hard to work out why the Industry was less than a week to having to cease trading due to insolvency unless the Government bailed it out. COVID 19 had nothing to do with the crap they were in as the damage was done pre-covid'.

The story below shows just how nil the DIA are due to no knowledge or understanding of the Racing and Wagering industry.

Every poker machine since 2006 has had electronic monitoring (EMS) software installed which means the DIA can sit in the office (onsite audit checks used prior) and monitor gaming machine operations, ensuring the integrity of games and the accurate accounting of money. Another reason it was introduced was to assist in alerting activity that would need to be looked into in order to comply with the Gambling Act 2003 to minimise harm caused by gambling.

So for 12 years the EMS has been operating and then for the first time the DIA prosecute a publican for failing to take all reasonable steps to identify a problem gambler. The DIA proudly issued a press release in which then gambling director Chris Thornborough said it “signals our strong focus on protecting people from gambling harm ... we will not stand by and watch as venues ignore patrons showing signs of problem gambling”.   

I would sack the Gambling Director for coming up with a look at us bullshit story. He says the DIA will not stand by and watch venues ignore patrons showing signs of problem gambling for %$%^%^ sake that's what these clowns are employed to do and why every pokie machine was made to have a monitoring system installed.  The only reason they prosecuted the publican was because a problem gambler's son went to them to complain that the publican kept letting his father lose $500,000 over three years. The DIA couldn't identify a problem gambler by reading reports that they receive in order to comply with the Gambling Act.

Does anyone actually believe that this is the first time that a person in 14 years has lost a fortune due to problem gambling on poker machines. It just rubber stamps what is stated above that the DIA  has no clues on wagering and problem gambling. The only monitoring they seem to capable of is of a clock to see when its 10:00am,noon and 3:00pm to take their breaks. 

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The DIA’s manager of gambling investigations, Marty Greentree, says the case was the first time a family had been willing to come forward and the evidence considered strong enough to mount a problem gambling prosecution.

Another idiot quote - if the DIA had carried out due diligence and had any clue they would have picked it up before been approached by the family member.I would sack this idiot as well. He says the evidence was considered to be strong enough to mount a problem gambling prosecution and then you read that the Judge thew the case out of Court two days into the trial as he said the DIA’s problem gambling policies were too inadequate to sustain a conviction. %$^K me they can't identify any problem pokie gambling in 14 years by reading reports and then when a person gives them information relating to the job they are employed to do they can't get a result because they produce weak no idea gambling policies. You couldn't make it up ha and here they are doing Policy to turn the Racing Industry around. Hollywood wouldn't buy the story as they would say the public wouldn't believe that how they operate.  

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Obviously, most pokie players aren’t addicted. The industry can cite figures placing them as low as 0.5 per cent of the adult population, while the Problem Gambling Foundation argues up to 49 per cent of regular players have a problem.

Those problem gamblers % figures above and yet the DIA in 14 years doesn't make one conviction using their resources within their Department. Nothing short of a totally embarrassing situation and the Ministers of Racing and the DIA need to be asking some serious questions such as "what the %$^& have you lot been doing over the last 14 years". 

I will be copying and pasting this post and emailing those Ministers above and saying if you believe that your Department is operating efficiently and delivering results in order to be  representing you well as Ministers then you may as well consider employing the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy to join the DIA.  

The story is below and if your involved financially in the Racing Industry read it and weep as while the DIA continue to be involved it's %^$%ed.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125968902/an-avoidable-tragedy-a-problem-gambler-blew-his-life-savings-then-dropped-dead?fbclid=IwAR3BJeloXF2otWyMtOh8LxrUasg_8OU9d7VU-tMZK6mnuvE41MYBfENNjLg

 

Edited August 8, 2021 by NZRacing

[nomates]

Nobody wants to stop people gambling , there's too much money to be made .

And you can't piecemeal it , as in you can bet on just certain mediums but not others , can all gambling or leave people alone to do as they please .

I don't see people monitoring what the the addicted smokers or drinkers do .

They all damage people , families and communities .

People feck up their lives all the time , look at the Timaru crash last night , society can't mitigate for everything .

[aquaman]

55 minutes ago, NZRacing said:

and legislation change for the Racing Minister it's not hard to work out why the Industry was less than a week to having to cease trading due to insolvency unless the Government bailed it out. COVID 19 had nothing to do with the crap they were in as the damage was done pre-covid'.

The story below shows just how nil the DIA are due to no knowledge or understanding of the Racing and Wagering industry.

Every poker machine since 2006 has had electronic monitoring (EMS) software installed which means the DIA can sit in the office (onsite audit checks used prior) and monitor gaming machine operations, ensuring the integrity of games and the accurate accounting of money. Another reason it was introduced was to assist in alerting activity that would need to be looked into in order to comply with the Gambling Act 2003 to minimise harm caused by gambling.

So for 12 years the EMS has been operating and then for the first time the DIA prosecute a publican for failing to take all reasonable steps to identify a problem gambler. The DIA proudly issued a press release in which then gambling director Chris Thornborough said it “signals our strong focus on protecting people from gambling harm ... we will not stand by and watch as venues ignore patrons showing signs of problem gambling”.   

I would sack the Gambling Director for coming up with a look at us bullshit story. He says the DIA will not stand by and watch venues ignore patrons showing signs of problem gambling for %$%^%^ sake that's what these clowns are employed to do and why every pokie machine was made to have a monitoring system installed.  The only reason they prosecuted the publican was because a problem gambler's son went to them to complain that the publican kept letting his father lose $500,000 over three years. The DIA couldn't identify a problem gambler by reading reports that they receive in order to comply with the Gambling Act.

Does anyone actually believe that this is the first time that a person in 14 years has lost a fortune due to problem gambling on poker machines. It just rubber stamps what is stated above that the DIA  has no clues on wagering and problem gambling. The only monitoring they seem to capable of is of a clock to see when its 10:00am,noon and 3:00pm to take their breaks. 

Another idiot quote - if the DIA had carried out due diligence and had any clue they would have picked it up before been approached by the family member.I would sack this idiot as well. He says the evidence was considered to be strong enough to mount a problem gambling prosecution and then you read that the Judge thew the case out of Court two days into the trial as he said the DIA’s problem gambling policies were too inadequate to sustain a conviction. %$^K me they can't identify any problem pokie gambling in 14 years by reading reports and then when a person gives them information relating to the job they are employed to do they can't get a result because they produce weak no idea gambling policies. You couldn't make it up ha and here they are doing Policy to turn the Racing Industry around. Hollywood wouldn't buy the story as they would say the public wouldn't believe that how they operate.  

Those problem gamblers % figures above and yet the DIA in 14 years doesn't make one conviction using their resources within their Department. Nothing short of a totally embarrassing situation and the Ministers of Racing and the DIA need to be asking some serious questions such as "what the %$^& have you lot been doing over the last 14 years". 

I will be copying and pasting this post and emailing those Ministers above and saying if you believe that your Department is operating efficiently and delivering results in order to be  representing you well as Ministers then you may as well consider employing the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy to join the DIA.  

The story is below and if your involved financially in the Racing Industry read it and weep as while the DIA continue to be involved it's %^$%ed.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125968902/an-avoidable-tragedy-a-problem-gambler-blew-his-life-savings-then-dropped-dead?fbclid=IwAR3BJeloXF2otWyMtOh8LxrUasg_8OU9d7VU-tMZK6mnuvE41MYBfENNjLg

 

E for excellence, well said.

[NZRacing]

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I don't see people monitoring what the the addicted smokers or drinkers do 

Are you living under a rock or maybe employed at the DIA?

Have you never seen a breath testing road check? If you haven't that's where they get you to blow into a machine which is used to 'monitor' drivers to determine if they have an alcohol level above a limit. Obviously not all over the level are addicted but you read many cases where a driver has been done numerous times and get sentenced which does = addicted drinkers.

Once upon a time you could smoke in any establishment. Today if you are that addicted that you need a cigarette you have to leave a bar or restaurant. Staff monitor to ensure patrons comply with the law = monitoring. Once you could bring through Duty Free a carton of smokes now its one packet which is once again monitored.

  

[nomates]

16 minutes ago, NZRacing said:

Are you living under a rock or maybe employed at the DIA?

Have you never seen a breath testing road check? If you haven't that's where they get you to blow into a machine which is used to 'monitor' drivers to determine if they have an alcohol level above a limit. Obviously not all over the level are addicted but you read many cases where a driver has been done numerous times and get sentenced which does = addicted drinkers.

Once upon a time you could smoke in any establishment. Today if you are that addicted that you need a cigarette you have to leave a bar or restaurant. Staff monitor to ensure patrons comply with the law = monitoring. Once you could bring through Duty Free a carton of smokes now its one packet which is once again monitored.

  

None of that is stopping the addicts from what they are addicted to , all addicts find a way . Which was my point , you can't mitigate for everything , i.e. watch every move of someone to stop someone who is determined to to what they want to do .

All of the above measures are things society puts in place to best protect not only the abuser but society as a whole , but we as a society will never be able to cover for the determined .

As i mentioned , the terrible tragedy that happened in Timaru , how many times do we see this happen , yet for all the measures taken still can't stop it happening . Perhaps you would like to see all teenagers on curfews and wearing ankle bracelets as a draconian measure to try and stop this all together , even that wont prevent it occasionally happening tho , because teenagers are teenagers and will find a way . 

Which is my point , society , the family of the gambler all want someone to blame , the publican mainly , but really who is to blame for someone blowing 500k on pokies ? 

I'm sure you don't want someone telling you what or how to do what you want to do , like expressing your opinion , just like myself .

P.S. I live under a very nice rock thank you , only the best for me .

[Chief Stipe]

4 hours ago, nomates said:

Which is my point , society , the family of the gambler all want someone to blame , the publican mainly , but really who is to blame for someone blowing 500k on pokies ? 

The problem gambler is the answer you are looking for.  However as was pointed out in the media why in the same controlled environment does a problem drinker get stopped but not a problem gambler?

@nomates have you stopped to consider how much this problem gambler actually pumped through the machines?  It would be a lot more than $500k unless he was extremely unlucky.  Try doing that through the TAB and questions not being asked.

Now you drawing comparisons with teenage driving related deaths isn't a fair comparison.  One is a controlled environment with a machine provided whereas the other is a relatively uncontrolled environment where you bring your own machine.

[nomates]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

@nomates have you stopped to consider how much this problem gambler actually pumped through the machines?  It would be a lot more than $500k unless he was extremely unlucky.  Try doing that through the TAB and questions not being asked.

 

For sure it was more , the amount was what he lost out of his bank .

 

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

The problem gambler is the answer you are looking for.  However as was pointed out in the media why in the same controlled environment does a problem drinker get stopped but not a problem gambler?

 

Well usually the problem drinker is pissed so easier to pick up , behaviour , speech and steadiness on feet are obvious giveaways . The problem drinker usually can't hide it because they drink to excess . 

The problem pokie player is a bit tougher to pick up , no obvious signs . They know to be cunning in the way the go about it , wait to be served by different staff if they want cash there , take cash in with them , different outlets  . And just because someone is at the machine for hours doesn't mean they are spending a lot , my old man could make $20 bucks last for ages just pottering around for fun , the problem gambler could blow $200 in 20 mins .

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Now you drawing comparisons with teenage driving related deaths isn't a fair comparison

I used this as an example of how does a community mitigate to stop this tragedy , or help anybody with an addiction , it's hard when people will do what they have to , to do what they want . I certainly wasn't comparing the 2 cases .