Forbury Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, Forbury said: You stole my thunder.i was going to ask the question who is the hottest sire in the world?walner Walner is a son of chapter seven 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 18, 2021 Author Share Posted August 18, 2021 (edited) Sire list 2021 has been finalised Walner is our BOAY SIRE ON FIRE 🔥 20k Value for Money below: Sweet Lou 7.5k Always B Miki 7.5k Lazarus 7.5k Captain Crunch 6.5k Downbytheseaside 6k Lather Up $6k (wildcard) Majestic Son 5k Vincent 4.5k Terror to Love $3k Edited August 18, 2021 by Karrotsisback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 18, 2021 Author Share Posted August 18, 2021 Sire guessing game, for Gamms or anyone. Doing a share - the original poster of these pix on social media says took them while horse/driver working out in 1970 USA. Who is this sire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 No idea but I'm going to guess Most Happy Fella 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 19, 2021 Author Share Posted August 19, 2021 29 minutes ago, With A Dream said: I'm going to guess Most Happy Fella Yes WAD! Takes out the Who is this sire, with correct answer. This was the post - (stumbled upon this group via google, its a USA group page but seems to have peeps from Down Under on page also if anyone is interested). Harness History on Facebook 35k followers "MOST HAPPY FELLA - FALL 1970 After winning a grueling three-heat battle over Columbia George in the Jug, Stanley dancer gave MHF the first week off at Lexington and simply worked him a mile. And I was there with my camera to get some photos of him during and after his training trip". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Karrotsisback said: "MOST HAPPY FELLA - FALL 1970 After winning a grueling three-heat battle over Columbia George in the Jug, Stanley dancer gave MHF Dang !! missed out, not a bad stallion there Karrots !! Was going for Albatross for a minute because Stanley Dancer was the pilot. Stanley won a heap with CARDIGAN BAY the best NZ horse of All time too in the 1960's. a fabulous horseman. Albatross won a heap of races around that early 70's era too. and then sired NIATROSS (perhaps the best ever) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, Gammalite said: "MOST HAPPY FELLA - FALL 1970 and just a footnote on the SPEED progression of these American horses. I thought it very interesting the SPEED has not progressed further in 30 years now. At Yonkers (1/2 mile track) in 1970 the feature 3 year old race of the season is The Messenger Stakes. Most Happy Fella won the the Messenger in 2.2.6 in 1970. Albatross , also for Stanley a year later, won the Messenger in 2.0.4 in 1971. Niatross won a decade later in 1980 in a time of 1.59.6 ( so still quite slow really) Cam Fella (by Most Happy Fella) and grand-sire of current champion sire 'Bettor's Delight' won in 1.57.6 in the mid 80's then , All of a sudden , in 1990 the Winner ran 1.52 in the messenger, and have run that time ever since !! in 30 Messengers for past 3 decades.!! so they are literally at their peak speed now and can't go any faster as time progresses. Bettor's Delight's sire had the race record at 1.51 in 1994 on a 1/2 mile track (Cam's Card Shark) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 19, 2021 Author Share Posted August 19, 2021 28 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Albatross won a heap of races around that early 70's era too. and then sired NIATROSS (perhaps the best ever) Yes had never heard of Niatross, until today as same Facebook poster, posted a pic of him too, saying he was the best horse he had ever seen, drawing a comparison to SBSW also in top 2. Sounds like he was a GREAT HORSE. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 43 minutes ago, Karrotsisback said: Yes had never heard of Niatross, until today as same Facebook poster, posted a pic of him too, Here's a very famous pic of NIATROSS , when the multi million dollar colt got headed off for the only time in his career, and didn't know what to do about it? lol...... so fell over the rail in shock !!!!!!!!!! He was fine and bounced straight to his feet on the infield thankfully. won 37 of 39 starts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 19, 2021 Author Share Posted August 19, 2021 26 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Here's a very famous pic of NIATROSS , when the multi million dollar colt got headed off for the only time in his career, and didn't know what to do about it? lol...... so fell over the rail in shock !!!!!!!!!! He was fine and bounced straight to his feet on the infield thankfully. won 37 of 39 starts. Thx Gamms, just googled & found this on the incident. In shock alright lol. The morning of that July 5 was unseasonably cold and wet, a day more akin to the late fall than the middle of the summer. Intermittent rain helped keep the crowd down to only 7,065 and turned the half-mile oval into a muddy mess. Saratoga officials decided to postpone the Haswell post time for an extra 50 minutes to allow the maintenance crew to scrape and re-sand the track, which was upgraded from “sloppy” to “good.” During the delay, Cammie Haughton noticed that Niatross had three blankets on him. “Now it’s good to keep a horse warm, especially if there’s a delay, for their muscles might tighten up,” Cammie said. “But they had three coolers on him. I thought it was rather peculiar. So did my dad.” The ensuing Haswell may have been the most peculiar harness race ever. Almost all harness tracks had a two-foot hub rail to keep horses from going into the infield. It did not work that afternoon. Niatross and his driver/trainer Clint Galbraith took the lead from longshot Danielle’s Romeo and top Saratoga driver Jean Paul Morel, and hit the quarter-mile in :30. Niatross reached the half-mile in 1:01.2, only three-fifths of a second faster than the horses in the previous race, a $3,000 conditional pace. And that was before the track was improved. Hoping for a record performance by Niatross, the crowd booed. Billy Haughton sent up Trenton Time to challenge Niatross after the half. They paced a third quarter in :28.4, reaching three-quarters in 1:30.1, with Niatross only a desperate nose in front. “I knew I could have gone by him at the three-quarters,” Haughton said. “I saw he was laboring. He just wasn’t right.” Trenton Time was going by Niatross at the head of the stretch. Galbraith, for the first time ever, used his whip on Niatross on his right side. That induced Niatross, shying away from the whip, to bear to his left. But there was no room on his left. Niatross went right over the hub rail, taking Galbraith and the sulky with him. Galbraith was hurtled to the infield ground. Niatross somehow managed to twist his body as he fell, landing and immediately bouncing back up facing the opposite direction with the sulky still attached. The incident happened right in front of Danielle’s Romeo, allowing Morel to see exactly what happened. “That horse is not used to being hit with the whip,” Morel said. “He got scared. He made a U-turn.” Miraculously, neither Galbraith nor Niatross were injured. “The colt is all right, and I’m all right,” Galbraith said. “It’s the first time I hit him. He went sideways and jumped the rail.” Then Galbraith left the paddock in tears, sitting alone on the steps of the racing office, obviously still shaken. Trenton Time had won the race by one length in 1:59.3. In the winner’s circle, Billy Haughton handled the reins to Cammie and went to console Galbraith. “Billy felt almost as bad as I did because of what happened to the horse,” Galbraith said. “We were good friends.” Years later, Galbraith still wasn’t sure what happened to Niatross that afternoon at Saratoga: “Maybe he had a touch of virus. I just don’t know what was wrong with him that day.” Just a week later, in a $25,000 elimination heat for the $1 million Meadowlands Pace, Niatross made a break for the only time in his career. He recovered to finish fourth, and since it was the fastest fourth of the eliminations, he qualified for The Meadowlands Pace final. Whatever was wrong with Niatross disappeared the following week when he captured The Meadowlands Pace. He added every single stakes left in his 3-year-old season. He never raced again, retiring to stud with a career record of 37 for 39. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Karrotsisback said: Yes WAD! Takes out the Who is this sire, with correct answer. That's got to be worth a chocolate fish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 I remember Niatross racing, I have a vague recollection they may have broadcast the Meadowlands Pace on TV or the radio unless my mind is playing tricks on me. Anyway his first crop of foals were sensational and included a champion in Nihilator and some other very nice stakes horses. He looked like he was going to as successful at stud as he was on the track but with his subsequent crops was unable to repeat his success and his popularity with breeders quickly dried up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 54 minutes ago, With A Dream said: I remember Niatross racing, I have a vague recollection they may have broadcast the Meadowlands Pace on TV or the radio unless my mind is playing tricks on me. Yes indeedy they did as the Meadowlands Pace being first race worth $1,000,000 at the time was a big deal. Only race broadcast on NZ tele I ever remember from the states though. Lucky the great horse qualified. Niatross only 4th in the heat after galloping at the start. only time ever beaten apart from that fall over the rail in earlier post. Only just managed to scrape into the Million dollar final. The commentator was funny to hear, as we were used to Reon M and Reg C in NZ with the fast paced calling of a race then. The Yank commentator was all into 'emphasis' on horses names . esp one placegetter 'Stoooorrrrrm Damage' and Niiiiiiiiii atross going away by four!. lol. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Gammalite said: Shades of Ermis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 41 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Shades of Ermis Is the race crash of ERMIS you mean ? in 1993 . Did he go over the rail maybe? looks a fair few came down in this race below. Perhaps Too many North Island Drivers ?? lol........... getting in the road of the Southies . Richard Brosnan won some more in Victoria this week too. The five length winner of this race only won that one race as a 2yearold , and 9 in whole career over next 8 seasons until 2000 lol... Race 6 - Pyne Gould Guinness NZ Yrlg Sales Final, $150,000, 2YO C0 & FASTER MOBILE PACE, 2000m Weather: Track: Fast Participants for Race 6: Pyne Gould Guinness NZ Yrlg Sales Final Place Book Horse Barrier Hcap Stakes Time Margin Driver Trainer 1 4 Esprit Turbo 4 fr 91,600.00 2-30.0 R J Brosnan Richard Brosnan 2 6 Costa Plenty 6 fr 21,900.00 2-31.2 B Purdon Roy & Barry Purdon 3 10 Rigil Kent 10 fr 11,680.00 2-31.6 F D Cooney Tony Milina 4 13 Franco's Revel 13 fr 5,850.00 2-32.5 J W Smolenski Ian Shinn 5 7 Zero In 7 fr 4,390.00 A L Vallender Mike Berger 6 14 Reba Nero 14 fr 1,620.00 A G Herlihy MNZM Roy & Barry Purdon 7 3 Motoring Star 3 fr 1,620.00 J P Stormont Peter Simpson Fell 2 Motoring Magic 2 fr 1,620.00 M W McKendry MNZM Geoff Small Fell 5 Life Force 5 fr 1,620.00 Mark Purdon Roy & Barry Purdon Fell 8 Patchwood's Star 8 fr 1,620.00 K N Larsen Kirk Larsen Fell 15 Ermis 15 fr 1,620.00 R M Cameron Robert Cameron Fell 17 Gaelic Overdrive 17 fr 1,620.00 B M Mangos Brent Mangos Fell 18 How Clever Am I 18 fr 1,620.00 P G O'Reilly Patrick O'Reilly Pup 11 Newsbreaker 11 fr 1,620.00 M J Smolenski Mark Smolenski Total Stakes: $150,000.00 Margins 5 lengths, 2 1/2 lengths, 4 1/2 lengths Times Mile Rate: 2-00.6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrossCodes Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) Check out the win of He’s Charlie’s Angel today in a lowly maiden at Cobram, a Sweet Lou first starter. For owner/trainer/ driver Charlene Gusman, a virtual unknown he went a 1.55 odd mile rate on debut, running stunning sectionals after sitting parked the whole way. I’d imagine the offers will be flooding in and looks a potential star in the making, haven’t seen a more impressive debut winner over here in a long time. Edited August 19, 2021 by CrossCodes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Is the race crash of ERMIS you mean ? in 1993 . Did he go over the rail maybe? looks a fair few came down in this race below. Was home and hosed. Had to abort my run to the tote. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, CrossCodes said: For owner/trainer/ driver Charlene Gusman, a virtual unknown he went a 1.55 odd mile rate on debut, running stunning sectionals after sitting parked the whole way. Well that was crazy good. Better test that 'swab' just in case. Left three of the very best trainers in Victoria struggling 6-7 lengths behind in the placings too. (David Moran, David Aiken and former kiwi Brent Lilley (with Alford driving) you have to wonder.............. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 19, 2021 Author Share Posted August 19, 2021 33 minutes ago, CrossCodes said: Check out the win of He’s Charlie’s Angel today in a lowly maiden at Cobram, a Sweet Lou first starter. For owner/trainer/ driver Charlene Gusman, a virtual unknown he went a 1.55 odd mile rate on debut, running stunning sectionals after sitting parked the whole way. I’d imagine the offers will be flooding in and looks a potential star in the making, haven’t seen a more impressive debut winner over here in a long time. Shot Crosscodes, thx for pointing that out. Nice win, punching the breeze & pulling majority of race, before taking off & leaving them in his dust. Another 1st starter for a win to add to Lous list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 19, 2021 Author Share Posted August 19, 2021 18 hours ago, Karrotsisback said: “I saw he was laboring. He just wasn’t right.” Trenton Time was going by Niatross at the head of the stretch. Galbraith, for the first time ever, used his whip on Niatross on his right side. That induced Niatross, shying away from the whip, to bear to his left. But there was no room on his left. Niatross went right over the hub rail, taking Galbraith and the sulky with him. The incident happened right in front of Danielle’s Romeo, allowing Morel to see exactly what happened. “That horse is not used to being hit with the whip,” Morel said. “He got scared. He made a U-turn.” “The colt is all right, and I’m all right,” Galbraith said. “It’s the first time I hit him. He went sideways and jumped the rail.” Was thinking about this. Just a question folks & thought might trigger some convo. This horse had not been whipped prior, yet still won ALL those starts prior. As the other driver pointed out, he just wasn't right. Would of excessive whip use helped him win this race, had he not jumped the rail? Yes/No? Bearing in mind the other driver said he saw the horse "just wasn't right". What are peeps thoughts on this? Or was it just that he was an exceptional horse superior than the others so didn't need the whip in most instances? Just got me wondering about the effectiveness of the whip after reading this article. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, Karrotsisback said: Or was it just that he was an exceptional horse superior than the others so didn't need the whip in most instances? Just got me wondering about the effectiveness of the whip after reading this article A Whip is VERY effective. It's how you use it that get results !!!! So many people have the wrong idea about whips !!!! (because of movies I think showing people flogged with in the stocks,etc) NOT many horses (If any) are flogged this century !!!! Whips are used these days prodominately for CONCENTRATION purposes only. Gallopers get a slap down the shoulders by the jockey with padded whip. It makes NOISE !! the horse is frightened into going a little harder late in the race. It's all about Fright and Flight response !!!! deafeners the same , pull the ear-plugs , make a lot of noise yelling and swishing whip= horse propelling forward a little faster. A stock whip with cattle ? makes a hell of crack ! gets good results in driving cattle forward. Can't see how you can drive a race without a whip myself. you are trying to go as fast as equinely possible???? Carraige driving of all kinds through history, always involves a whip, concentration is important ! every horse hitched up to something probably had a whip que to function? it's nothing new ......even Breaking in horses , always carried a long whip when long reining. Niatross was surely Superior to opponents, BUT should of had some whip exposure in breaking /training etc, as diving over the fence to escape it is Plain just POOR Training IMO. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 19, 2021 Author Share Posted August 19, 2021 27 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Whips are used these days prodominately for CONCENTRATION purposes only. It's all about Fright and Flight response deafeners the same , pull the ear-plugs Lovely explanation there re Concentration Purposes. I like it. Think with most things there are always exceptions to rule. Eg read an article about Larry Lincoln (Sweet Lou), & he strongly disliked the whip, infact he would tuck his butt in & tail in & SLOW down lol. He was thinking no way, you mother truckers, use whip on me, I won’t run for you hahahaha. As soon as they figured this out (no whip) & how he best suits running in a race, he starting winning, got up to open grade ish at Albion, before being sold to the States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share Posted August 21, 2021 On 8/19/2021 at 5:33 PM, CrossCodes said: Check out the win of He’s Charlie’s Angel today in a lowly maiden at Cobram, a Sweet Lou first starter. For owner/trainer/ driver Charlene Gusman, a virtual unknown he went a 1.55 odd mile rate on debut, running stunning sectionals after sitting parked the whole way. I’d imagine the offers will be flooding in and looks a potential star in the making, haven’t seen a more impressive debut winner over here in a long time. Here you go Crosscodes 😃, a video on owner/trainer/driver Gusman about the win of He's Charlies Angel. If you play the start until 3 minutes. Its about how the name came about. Try not to shed a tear. Hope this wee Lou continues on with it for her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqURur6p8x4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 21, 2021 Author Share Posted August 21, 2021 Breckon Farms hasn't wasted time in getting their 2022 yearling sales draft out which includes some of our value for money sires, so thought Id share list incase anyone is interested. They have a filly by Laz on list. Gamms who won that comp btw, between Laz & Blacks a F? BRECKON FARMS 2022 NZB STANDARDBRED DRAFTDam Name | Sire Name | Foal Date | SexBRECKON BREDRozelski | Always B Miki | 12/09/2020 | CHothooves | Art Major | 28/09/2020 | CPartyon | Art Major | 20/11/2020 | CLydia's Delight | Art Major | 27/11/2020 | CHigh Society Gal | Art Major | 21/08/2020 | FDelightful Legacy | Bettor's Delight | 10/09/2020 | CDiamond Lace | Bettor's Delight | 04/10/2020 | CBig Lucy | Bettor's Delight | 16/09/2020 | CHolly Madison | Bettor's Delight | 24/09/2020 | CDouble Twist | Bettor's Delight | 27/09/2020 | COnlyforyou | Bettor's Delight | 26/10/2020 | CKelly Maguire | Bettor's Delight | 03/11/2020 | CGoodlookingbabe | Bettor's Delight | 20/09/2020 | FSem's Delight | Captaintreacherous | 04/10/2020 | CFellamongstabeauty | Captaintreacherous | 22/11/2020 | CDouble Shot | Captaintreacherous | 26/11/2020 | CCallmemaybe | Downbytheseaside | 09/11/2020 | FBroadband | Father Patrick | 16/11/2020 | CLuby Lou | Father Patrick | 07/10/2020 | FDaenerys Targaryen | Father Patrick | 11/11/2020 | FTaylor Bromac | Lazarus | 03/09/2020 | FDead Cat Bounce | Majestic Son | 18/10/2020 | CYankeedoosie | Majestic Son | 03/11/2020 | FSpeights Girl | Sweet Lou | 18/10/2020 | CSpin To Win | Sweet Lou | 09/11/2020 | CIce Imperial | Sweet Lou | 09/12/2020 | CWillow | Sweet Lou | 20/11/2020 | CSpandau Ballet | Sweet Lou | 31/10/2020 | FClassic Armbro | Tactical Landing | 29/10/2020 | CFear Factor | What The Hill | 26/10/2020 | CRegal Love | What The Hill | 21/11/2020 | FCLIENT HORSES Simply Stunning | Always B Miki | 27/10/2020 | CMinnie Moose | Art Major | 11/11/2020 | CBare Knuckle | Bettor's Delight | 04/11/2020 | CTosti Girl | Bettors's Delight | C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 35 minutes ago, Karrotsisback said: Gamms who won that comp btw, between Laz & Blacks a F? Dare say they got it wrong. Surprisingly I would of voted Lazarus !!(after those 2 amazing NZ Cup wins,etc ) The vote done in Aus so , guess Lazarus wasn't going to get it. Of course he would of with an NZ vote though. ! The GF. Cast your vote in the H2H battle to determine the #Pacing Blacks A Fake v Lazarus Blackie 62.7% Laz 37.3% 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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