Joe Bloggs Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, curious said: OK. So, we are talking about cobalt, not iron and I think you mean 6000 mcgs, not mgs? Smith's legal counsel, which was making submissions on the length of penalty, argued there was no threshold for cobalt in place when his offences were alleged to have occurred, including Testarhythm returning a reading in excess of 6000 micrograms per litre of urine after his win in the Ortensia Stakes at Scone last year. NSW adopted the national rule of 200 micrograms per litre of urine on January 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So Smith didn't actually administer Cobalt Chloride intravenously? Trainer Darren Smith has been banned for 15-years by Racing NSW Stewards on Friday for 42 charges relating to cobalt use. Racing NSW Stewards say Smith had purchased a product from disqualified Harness Racing identity Shannon Wonson and embarked on an admitted course of conduct to inject multiple horses in his stable. The Newcastle trainer admitted injecting horses with a substance given to him by a disqualified harness racing trainer and which he understood to be a blood booster, after initially denying he had administered cobalt. Stewards handed down the heavy penalty citing Smith's previous poor record of drug-related offences.It was Smith's tenth offence regarding prohibited substances since 1989.Earlier this month Stewards found Smith guilty on charges relating to 21 positive samples. He had been charged under three different rules for each of the offences, but after finding him guilty of two, found it was unnecessary to rule on the third.A total of 17 runners from 20 race starts returned positive samples for cobalt for races between February and May in 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Joe Bloggs said: Trainer Darren Smith has been banned for 15-years by Racing NSW Stewards on Friday for 42 charges relating to cobalt use. Racing NSW Stewards say Smith had purchased a product from disqualified Harness Racing identity Shannon Wonson and embarked on an admitted course of conduct to inject multiple horses in his stable. The Newcastle trainer admitted injecting horses with a substance given to him by a disqualified harness racing trainer and which he understood to be a blood booster, after initially denying he had administered cobalt. Stewards handed down the heavy penalty citing Smith's previous poor record of drug-related offences.It was Smith's tenth offence regarding prohibited substances since 1989.Earlier this month Stewards found Smith guilty on charges relating to 21 positive samples. He had been charged under three different rules for each of the offences, but after finding him guilty of two, found it was unnecessary to rule on the third.A total of 17 runners from 20 race starts returned positive samples for cobalt for races between February and May in 2014. No mention of Cobalt Chloride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: No mention of Cobalt Chloride. Please Chief, I'm going into the next room to shoot myself, I've put two shots into the chamber in case I miss the first time.....please read below and leave me alone. 18 months ago Darren Smith's horse training operation was shut down by Racing New South Wales stewards. He was found guilty of using cobalt chloride on his runners and given a 15-year ban. He lost an appeal to the Racing Appeals Panel and then also the Racing Appeals Tribunal.16 Aug 2015 Horse trainer Darren Smith fails to reduce his 15-year ban for ... https://www.abc.net.au › news › horse-trainer-darren-smit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: Please Chief, I'm going into the next room to shoot myself, I've put two shots into the chamber in case I miss the first time.....please read below and leave me alone. 18 months ago Darren Smith's horse training operation was shut down by Racing New South Wales stewards. He was found guilty of using cobalt chloride on his runners and given a 15-year ban. He lost an appeal to the Racing Appeals Panel and then also the Racing Appeals Tribunal.16 Aug 2015 Horse trainer Darren Smith fails to reduce his 15-year ban for ... https://www.abc.net.au › news › horse-trainer-darren-smit... Fire away. But before you do it if he was injecting cobalt chloride and there is evidence (where is it?) WTF has Hemoplex got to do with anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 You'll have to excuse me, the paramedics have just left, they couldn't believe I'm still alive, apparently the bullets passed between the left and right ear without hitting anything, they were amazed, the only conclusion they could come to was, they asked if I was a contrIbutor on BOAY, when I answered yes, they looked at each other and shrugged, that must be it they said.... Re Hemoplex......as I mentioned before, a few posts back, Smith’s treatments of Iron Duke and Elaborate consisted of legal substances VAM and hemoplex, sourced from reputable supplier Garrards, in the form of a pre-mixed intravenous-drip. The record of treatments showed Smith would typically administer 30mls of each substance which equated to three times the manufacturer’s guideline of 10mls. Smith conceded that increased dosages of both substances could have affected cobalt levels in a horse but claimed the administration of the concoction was solely to “assist in recovery” – the same defence used by Victorian trainers Mark Kavanagh and Danny O’Brien in 2015. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: You'll have to excuse me, the paramedics have just left, they couldn't believe I'm still alive, apparently the bullets passed between the left and right ear without hitting anything, they were amazed, the only conclusion they could come to was, they asked if I was a contrIbutor on BOAY, when I answered yes, they looked at each other and shrugged, that must be it they said.... Re Hemoplex......as I mentioned before, a few posts back, Smith’s treatments of Iron Duke and Elaborate consisted of legal substances VAM and hemoplex, sourced from reputable supplier Garrards, in the form of a pre-mixed intravenous-drip. The record of treatments showed Smith would typically administer 30mls of each substance which equated to three times the manufacturer’s guideline of 10mls. Smith conceded that increased dosages of both substances could have affected cobalt levels in a horse but claimed the administration of the concoction was solely to “assist in recovery” – the same defence used by Victorian trainers Mark Kavanagh and Danny O’Brien in 2015. But Hemoplex doesn't contain Cobalt Chloride. When do you want your life support turned off? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Now I'm going for the rope, I just hope the branch can hold 115kg, I'm done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 15 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: Now I'm going for the rope, I just hope the branch can hold 115kg, I'm done. Not surprisingly when you've obviously been reading a mish mash of confusing press reports. The fact is Smith was done on a vague racing rule. Further the Cobalt levels were measured against the threshold retrospectively I.e. the threshold was implemented some months after the initial charge. Now who would have known that tripling the dosage of Hemoplex would have returned a positive in the future? In none of the reports is there any evidence that the levels of Cobalt were performance enhancing or that the horses had elevated red blood cell counts. Plus no distinction between what forms of Cobalt was actually detected. So we now have this arbitrary Cobalt threshold that means zip but will from time to time through environmental contamination catch a Trainer. I guess at the end of the day it makes the incompetent Feds look good as they catch someone. All over something that doesn't actually work as a PED. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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