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Thomass our resident expert on after the event punting has so kindly given us many a great after the event theories, of which Mardigras has kindly started testing one, its worth noting a few of these ideas in the one place for us all to have a quick reference point.

Key things to watch for:

Blinkers on first time or Blinkers off first time - depends on the race outcome.

Winkers - same as above.

Tongue Tie - same as above.

Hoof Pads - same as above.

Nasal Strip - same as above.

Ring Bit - same as above.

Crossover nose band - same as above.

Sorry its a bit of an exhaustive list that goes on a bit more yet.

Down in Grade - but only in last 18 months & mid week does or doesn't count, depends on race outcome.

4kg kid riders in heavy going - depends on race outcome.

There are more I am sure, please add to them to help us all achieve more - TEAM.

 

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Please Don't turn this into a site for PONSS Bazz

'Pissed on Saturdays/ Sundays'

The key to successful punting is identifying the fastest horse to the winning post...with the best value

Thats it in a nutshell

Peripheral considerations like adding Blinkers and TT's can help obviously...

..and you'd have seen Rid hills research that says Blinkers do make them faster

...and the TT research that I tabled...that shows the same...generally

If you go down Rid hills root of fastest sectionals instead of my Black Type form...

Then you'd be making submissions to the Breeders that they should put fastest sectionals in the Catologue instead of Black Type

...and you know how stupid that'd be

...anyway...cheers big ears...have another

 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, FeelTheFear said:

Blinkers on  (even when they have had on in past and never won but won with them off). That's his best one

Oh moi gawd

The nut cases are out today bazz

Ask David Hayes how he uses this tool...tool

He applied them to Vegas Magic...who performed like never before...and even led like never before

Off next start....using as a tool

Back on in the Everest

Now go and put the straight jacket back on before I spank you again...

I think you could be enjoying it though

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It seems that a certain person, probably high on Lasix, and dehydrated certainly, can't reply without lowbrow tantrums. No response to this... "Blinkers on  (even when they have had on in past and never won but won with them off)". Selective reality or perhaps blinkered reality is of real concern, except in some circles. 

 

You are right Barry, it is a comedy that probably surpasses the great Monty Python team, Dead Parrot and all.

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13 minutes ago, FeelTheFear said:

It seems that a certain person, probably high on Lasix, and dehydrated certainly, can't reply without lowbrow tantrums. No response to this... "Blinkers on  (even when they have had on in past and never won but won with them off)". Selective reality or perhaps blinkered reality is of real concern, except in some circles. 

 

You are right Barry, it is a comedy that probably surpasses the great Monty Python team, Dead Parrot and all.

Wtf are you talking about?

If you're referring to TOODALOO who had Blinkers on first up then trained off..and had Winkers back on when winning?  Blinkers little sister...

Trainers play with their minds...like I'm playing with yours by the looks...

 

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2 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Wtf are you talking about?

If you're referring to TOODALOO who had Blinkers on first up then trained off..and had Winkers back on when winning?  Blinkers little sister...

Trainers play with their minds...like I'm playing with yours by the looks...

 

you haven't got a clue have you. Dear oh dear. No winks from here 

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4 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Any number of horses can win without Blinkers then need them later...dickhead

you still don't get it. Dear oh dear. To state after the race that a horse won because it had blinkers on when in fact it had won with them off in the past and unplaced when wearing blinkers shows your limited honesty and punting integrity. Have an extra Lasix for me

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7 minutes ago, FeelTheFear said:

you still don't get it. Dear oh dear. To state after the race that a horse won because it had blinkers on when in fact it had won with them off in the past and unplaced when wearing blinkers shows your limited honesty and punting integrity. Have an extra Lasix for me

Wtf are you on...

...any number of incidents could have occurred since wearing winning B again...

...ffs unless you can name the horse...f off

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20 hours ago, FeelTheFear said:

It seems that a certain person, probably high on Lasix, and dehydrated certainly, can't reply without lowbrow tantrums. No response to this... "Blinkers on  (even when they have had on in past and never won but won with them off)". Selective reality or perhaps blinkered reality is of real concern, except in some circles. 

 

You are right Barry, it is a comedy that probably surpasses the great Monty Python team, Dead Parrot and all.

Don't forget  " The Flying Cat "

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49 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Wtf are you talking about?

If you're referring to TOODALOO who had Blinkers on first up then trained off..and had Winkers back on when winning?  Blinkers little sister...

Trainers play with their minds...like I'm playing with yours by the looks...

 

I venture to suggest you are more likely to be playing with your own mind than anyone else's.

Now excuse while I go look up the form line of a Hayes horse called Vegas Magic...wonder if it's at all related to their classy sprinter and Everest hope Vega Magic. 

Tell me TomTom.. will Vega Magic win the Everest if the Blinkers are "back on in the Everst", as you suggest? And if/when he does, will it be the Blinkers that made him go "fastest to the winning post"?   Sigh.

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1 hour ago, Weasel said:

I venture to suggest you are more likely to be playing with your own mind than anyone else's.

Now excuse while I go look up the form line of a Hayes horse called Vegas Magic...wonder if it's at all related to their classy sprinter and Everest hope Vega Magic. 

Tell me TomTom.. will Vega Magic win the Everest if the Blinkers are "back on in the Everst", as you suggest? And if/when he does, will it be the Blinkers that made him go "fastest to the winning post"?   Sigh.

Yep that's what generally happens when Hayes thinks Blinkers on is the stuff it needs...

...and that's what happens...he'll go faster from point a to point b...than without

Probably fly the gates and stay out of time consuming possibilities...

wtf knew?

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3 hours ago, Thomass said:

He applied them to Vegas Magic...who performed like never before...and even led like never before

So when Vega Magic won at Caulfield on 19 August last year over 1200m on a track rated a Soft6, she ran 1.10.04.

Last start with blinkers on , she won at Caulfield on 28 July this year over 1200m on a track rated Good4, she ran 1.10.18

It's all starting to make sense now.

Not only that, but I know how much you think weight affects things, she carried 2kg more when winning on the soft track than last start. Wow, your skill is never ending.

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4 hours ago, barryb said:

Thomass our resident expert on after the event punting has so kindly given us many a great after the event theories, of which Mardigras has kindly started testing one, its worth noting a few of these ideas in the one place for us all to have a quick reference point.

Key things to watch for:

Blinkers on first time or Blinkers off first time - depends on the race outcome.

Winkers - same as above.

Tongue Tie - same as above.

Hoof Pads - same as above.

Nasal Strip - same as above.

Ring Bit - same as above.

Crossover nose band - same as above.

Sorry its a bit of an exhaustive list that goes on a bit more yet.

Down in Grade - but only in last 18 months & mid week does or doesn't count, depends on race outcome.

4kg kid riders in heavy going - depends on race outcome.

There are more I am sure, please add to them to help us all achieve more - TEAM.

 

3yos after Christmas - because everyone knows they have strengthened up after eating their christmas turkey.

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On 4/08/2018 at 7:54 PM, Thomass said:

Please Don't turn this into a site for PONSS Bazz

'Pissed on Saturdays/ Sundays'

The key to successful punting is identifying the fastest horse to the winning post...with the best value

Thats it in a nutshell

Peripheral considerations like adding Blinkers and TT's can help obviously...

..and you'd have seen Rid hills research that says Blinkers do make them faster

...and the TT research that I tabled...that shows the same...generally

If you go down Rid hills root of fastest sectionals instead of my Black Type form... 

Then you'd be making submissions to the Breeders that they should put fastest sectionals in the Catologue instead of Black Type

...and you know how stupid that'd be

...anyway...cheers big ears...have another

 

 

 

 

" Rid hills root " should involve sexionals   and " my Black Type form " suggests you been in the East Tamaki Tavern a bit.........

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