Open class racing

[Flagship uberalles]

I didn't watch the race last night, just looked at the results, what happened to dream about me were there any excuses or is it just not the horse it was before? and will it be on a plane soon to join it's other former stable mates?

[hunterthepunter]

22 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said:

I didn't watch the race last night, just looked at the results, what happened to dream about me were there any excuses or is it just not the horse it was before? and will it be on a plane soon to join it's other former stable mates?

sat in 1/1 behind the fixer had every chance was only a sprint home

[Flagship uberalles]

2 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said:

sat in 1/1 behind the fixer had every chance was only a sprint home

Zzzzzz can't even bring myself to watch a replay!!!  This was 1983 equivalent sad state of Play now!

[hunterthepunter]

whata good field that was just goes to show how thing have fell apart

[Newmarket]

Wow, hands down off 40m ?

[With A Dream]

4 hours ago, Flagship uberalles said:

Zzzzzz can't even bring myself to watch a replay!!!  This was 1983 equivalent sad state of Play now!

When you look at the breeding of Our Mana it reminds me of the rubbish stallions we use to bred to.  At least we have made giant strides in that regard.

[Flagship uberalles]

18 minutes ago, With A Dream said:

When you look at the breeding of Our Mana it reminds me of the rubbish stallions we use to bred to.  At least we have made giant strides in that regard.

I don't know about that, they are becoming to in bred now, it's taking the fun out of racing, same as the tracks being made so fast now, it's making it very boring, give me the old grinding breeds any day and tracks like Greymouth, claudlands and thank beegezus for forbury Park!!!

[With A Dream]

1 hour ago, Flagship uberalles said:

I don't know about that, they are becoming to in bred now, it's taking the fun out of racing, same as the tracks being made so fast now, it's making it very boring, give me the old grinding breeds any day and tracks like Greymouth, claudlands and thank beegezus for forbury Park!!!

I take your point about the race tracks.  When they run home in 25s from the front it does make for boring racing.

My original point still stands though.  In the 80's studs were importing stallions from the U.S.  that probably wouldn't have won a maiden race here. Card Shark,  Sholty to name a few and I could go on forever.

The problem with in breeding really comes from the large number of mares a stallion can serve each season.

Also,  the trotting breed is not as inbred as the pacers.  Possibly because Europe provides out crosses for North America & Down under

bloodlines.

 

 

[Basil]

6 hours ago, Flagship uberalles said:

Zzzzzz can't even bring myself to watch a replay!!!  This was 1983 equivalent sad state of Play now!

That's a good one alright, but it pays to keep in mind that was back in the era when it was received wisdom that you had to be racing in August to be a Cup Day contender. That sort of thinking no longer applies.

Here's the field from 1998 — take out Cullen, and would you really say this field is any better (or even as good) as last night's?

(01/09/2018@16:39)
NZ Metropolitan Trotting Club Inc    Saturday  22nd  August  1998	Results Enquiry

Race 8	Centra Auckland Hotel Handicap Pace, $14,000, C7 & FASTER DISCRETIONARY, 2600m
	For horses assessed at C7 and faster.
	Weather: Fine     Track: Fast

Plc	Bk	Horse	Barrier	Hcap	Stakes	Fav	Time	Margin	Driver	Trainer
1	9	Christian Cullen	1	30m	8,750.00	1/1	3-18.8		D P Campbell	B A O'Meara
2	4	Good Mate	4	fr	2,800.00	2/2	3-21.6	2.30	J P Versteeg	J P Versteeg
3	3	Shantahlia's Payson	3	fr	1,400.00	7/6	3-21.7	2.80	J Herbert	G R Lamb
4	8	Roymark	2	20m	700.00	3/4	3-20.1	3.20	J C Hay	W F Fletcher
5	7	Silk Brocade	1	20m	350.00	5/5		3.40	B J Borcoskie	B Borcoskie
6	2	Tact Halsey	2	fr	0.00	4/3		3.50	P G O'Reilly	P G O'Reilly
7	5	Swan Creek	5	fr	0.00	6/7		4.80	M A Butt	T G Butt
8	1	Red Danny	1	fr	0.00	8/8		15.10	P J Davis	P J Davis
$14,000.00

[Flagship uberalles]

39 minutes ago, Basil said:

That's a good one alright, but it pays to keep in mind that was back in the era when it was received wisdom that you had to be racing in August to be a Cup Day contender. That sort of thinking no longer applies.

Here's the field from 1998 — take out Cullen, and would you really say this field is any better (or even as good) as last night's?

(01/09/2018@16:39)
NZ Metropolitan Trotting Club Inc    Saturday  22nd  August  1998	Results Enquiry

Race 8	Centra Auckland Hotel Handicap Pace, $14,000, C7 & FASTER DISCRETIONARY, 2600m
	For horses assessed at C7 and faster.
	Weather: Fine     Track: Fast

Plc	Bk	Horse	Barrier	Hcap	Stakes	Fav	Time	Margin	Driver	Trainer
1	9	Christian Cullen	1	30m	8,750.00	1/1	3-18.8		D P Campbell	B A O'Meara
2	4	Good Mate	4	fr	2,800.00	2/2	3-21.6	2.30	J P Versteeg	J P Versteeg
3	3	Shantahlia's Payson	3	fr	1,400.00	7/6	3-21.7	2.80	J Herbert	G R Lamb
4	8	Roymark	2	20m	700.00	3/4	3-20.1	3.20	J C Hay	W F Fletcher
5	7	Silk Brocade	1	20m	350.00	5/5		3.40	B J Borcoskie	B Borcoskie
6	2	Tact Halsey	2	fr	0.00	4/3		3.50	P G O'Reilly	P G O'Reilly
7	5	Swan Creek	5	fr	0.00	6/7		4.80	M A Butt	T G Butt
8	1	Red Danny	1	fr	0.00	8/8		15.10	P J Davis	P J Davis
$14,000.00

Basil, thats why I hark back to the late 70s to early 80s, I went to live in the u.k from early 90s to 2012 so coming back to nz it was boom!! A complete change from what I remembered, I sort of got immersed in the pommie racing With trips to Vincennes in France to get a trotting fix.....it was sort of the same as coming back to the east coast bays in Auckland where I grew up and the places that were orchards 20mins away were now housing estates or shopping centres with Chinese writing all over them....My point is the dumbing down of harness racing here stood out like dogs balls!!