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By Wandering Eyes · Posted
Trainer William "Jinks" Fires will be honored as an HBPA Living Legend March 5 at the National HBPA's annual conference March 3-7 at Oaklawn Park in Hot Springs, Ark.View the full article -
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A bay colt out of Rio's Cliffs (Canford Cliffs), the dam of the G3 Premio Ambrosiano third Rex Of Thunder (Night Of Thunder), is among the first reported foals on the ground for Newsells Park Stud's Isaac Shelby. “We've been out of the breeding game for a while, so it was a very special moment to have this lovely foal born by Isaac Shelby,” read a statement attributed to the colt's breeders, Mark and Pippa Hackett of Moat House Farm, Ireland. “He's a great size, with plenty of scope and bone. He's one of the nicest foals we've had born here, so we are thrilled. The dam, Rio's Cliffs, has bred three winners from four runners, and her first foal was the Group 3-placed Rex Of Thunder, so we're excited to see what lies ahead for this lovely colt.” Elsewhere, Robbie and Kirsty Mills of RMM Bloodstock have welcomed a bay colt out of the American Pharoah mare Asamosa who, in turn, is out of the GII Santa Ynez Stakes winner Renee's Titan (Bernstein). “We're delighted with this foal,” read a statement from the owners. “He's a fine stamp with lots of strength, bone and presence. We're big fans of Isaac Shelby, who is a stunning-looking horse, and we were always keen to support him. We sent him three mares and, on the strength of this foal, we'll be sending him more again this year.” The multiple Group winner Isaac Shelby, who also filled the runner-up spot in the Poule d'Essai des Poulains, covered 96 mares in his first season at Newsells Park Stud in 2025, according to the Return of Mares, published by Weatherbys. The son of Night Of Thunder will stand the upcoming season at the unchanged fee of £7,000, with Newsells Park offering 'No Risk Terms' as outlined here. “Three [reported] foals so far and three very positive reviews, so we're very encouraged and looking forward to seeing the rest of his babies this spring and summer,” Newsells Park general manager Julian Dollard said of the new arrivals. “No doubt helped by our recently announced 'No Risk Terms', Isaac Shelby is proving very popular once again and his book is filling well. Upbeat foal reports like this will all help to ensure that he covers a second successive strong book.” Isaac Shelby will be parading later this week as part of the Tattersalls British EBF Stallion Parade, which gets underway at Park Paddocks at 11am on Thursday, February 5. The post First Foals by Isaac Shelby Subject to “Very Positive Reviews” appeared first on TDN | Thoroughbred Daily News | Horse Racing News, Results and Video | Thoroughbred Breeding and Auctions. View the full article -
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.... and they dropped the NZ fee to make him eligible for the Harness 5000 methinks -
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To a degree, 2025 was the year of the gelding. Those who won at least one Group or Grade 1 race included Calandagan, Ka Ying Rising, Romantic Warrior, Goliath, Cicero's Gift, Lazzat, American Affair, Half Yours, Caballo De Mar, Candelari, Ethical Diamond, Never So Brave, Rebel's Romance, and Trawlerman. Indeed, three of those were among the top-ten-rated horses in the world. There is no doubting the popularity and resonance of some of those names above but to what extent should we prioritise promoting the sport over protecting the breed, or vice versa? Since 1904 no gelding has been allowed to run in the Derby, and that ban extends to the 2,000 Guineas, St Leger and Commonwealth Cup in Britain, the Irish 2,000 Guineas, Irish Derby, Poule d'Essai des Poulains, Prix du Jockey Club, Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe, Deutsches Derby, German 2,000 Guineas, Derby Italiano, and Premio Parioli (Italian 2,000 Guineas). It is naturally a topic which divides opinion, and that has long been so. One hundred years ago, Mr J Reid Walker submitted a letter to the Bloodstock Breeders' Review on the subject. He wrote, “I cannot help thinking that racing would be even more interesting than it is if more horses were added to the list than at present. Geldings retain their temper, soundness and form much longer and are more useful for leading work, whereas the entire in many cases loses his temper altogether, and requiring as he does, more work, there is a greater strain on his legs…Even if retained as a stallion and sent to stud, he is, unless a high-class horse, generally a drug in the market, and frequently sold for an old song.” A century on, we have asked some knowledgeable members of the bloodstock community one simple question: should geldings be allowed to run in Group 1 races? Here are their thoughts on the matter. John Hammond, racing manager and former dual Arc-winning trainer “I don't think that you should ban them from all Group 1 races because some of the mythical horses over the years, Australian, American and so on, have been geldings. “Make no mistake, it does improve horses. I think it's an advantage because they'll be a bit lighter so they tend to need less work and it's easier to keep them sound. It also makes them more willing compared with the colts, who, when they get to four or five, tend to put on the handbrake a bit. “It's a bit difficult to give constructive arguments because none of us really know the consequences of it. It's a bit like moving the Derby from the Wednesday to the Saturday. The thinking was that so many people can't go to the races on the Wednesday so it should be on the Saturday, then anybody can go to the Derby. And actually, it's been an absolute disaster, but the original idea behind moving it has a certain logic to it. “Personally, I think they should probably let them run in the Arc and in all Group 1s apart from the Classics.” Kirsten Rausing, breeder and stallion owner, Lanwades “My view on this is well known. I know the counter-argument is that if colts were not gelded, then they would perhaps not run in so many races but, of course, the counter-counter-argument is that if we were all running in the same ballpark, i.e. if these races were only, as they used to be, open for full, entire colts, then horses who had temperament problems and so on would be sorted out. “We are well aware of the scarcity of stallions already at stud in, for example, Britain and Ireland. Their number is dwindling further and we are now below 100 active thoroughbred stallions in Britain. Most of these 100 would cover only a very limited number of mares each. All of this makes for a further concentration of thoroughbred mares being bred to perhaps two dozen stallions, at most, with the very significant implication for the thoroughbred herd inbreeding coefficient this carries. “We are in definite need of more stallions at stud – and thus more stallion candidates winning good races.” Anna Kerr, chief executive, The National Stud “I think the answer is that there are plenty of Group 1 races for all to run in, and conditions are in place for a reason. Sourcing stallions to stand at stud is not an easy business, and the Classics in particular provide that gauge of each generation's ability and ranking which then feeds into where they fit in that year's roster of stallions going to stud. “It is always important to question if things should remain or change, however I would be wary of unintended consequences.” Patrick Cooper, bloodstock agent and racing manager “Yes, because we have got to look after the sport and the sport requires the best to meet the best. And anything that diminishes that takes away from the spectacle of horse racing. It's that simple. “The guy who goes to Ascot to see the two best horses running against each other doesn't give a monkey's whether it's a mare, a colt or a gelding. He just wants to see Calandagan against City Of Troy, or whoever it happens to be. “I'm quite happy to have the outliers like the Derby and the Arc as a sop to the purists, if you like. But to be honest, it's the same argument I have with the Irish Derby. We have got to force the horses to race against each other, and Cheltenham has been wrecked because they've allowed them to avoid each other. “The other question is that if the colts can't beat the geldings, are they deserving of a place at stud? I'm sure you've heard the great quote of Alfred Vanderbilt, who owned Native Dancer. He had hundreds and hundreds of horses and as he was quoted as saying 'If I had gelded every single colt I ever owned, I would have made one mistake.' “You'll always get stallions like Havana Grey, for example. The breed will look after itself but we've got to look after the sport. We need Liverpool against Manchester United.” Jim McGrath, broadcaster and breeder “The last gelding to be placed in the Derby was in 1895, and they were banned in 1904, but why were they banned? I can't find a good reason. “In top races in America, i.e. the Kentucky Derby, they can run. They were banned for a little while, but reinstated. Winners of the Kentucky Derby have included geldings, and that hasn't damaged the race. “I remember asking a vet about what gelding actually does, apart from the bleeding obvious. And of course, when you castrate a horse, you're taking away his capacity to produce testosterone, but it's not just that. Testosterone is present in males and females, but in the male particularly it's very important, and when you take it out of a male, you are creating an imbalance. You're interfering with chemicals naturally in the body. “So there are consequences for interfering, and in horses, in particular, it affects the epiphysis – the end of the bone splints, basically. We've heard the phrase, 'I cut him, threw him in the field and gave him time.' Why? Because they grow bigger. “Now, why did they stop doing it to humans? To preserve choirboys, in Italy in particular, before the Middle Ages, they had them castrated. And they stopped the practice because a lot of them got rickets – they grew tall and stooped a bit. “The physical alterations that happen when you castrate a horse include that they are lighter and, of course, they are easier to train from a temperament perspective. “So you've got to ask yourself, is that a good enough reason for them not to run? Because in some cases, they might be at an advantage. But, to me, the Kentucky Derby argument counteracts that. “Most times, geldings enhance races because they're representative of the crop. If you're trying to make a stallion and you want breeders to use a horse, how is he completely proven if in some of your most important races, your benchmark of excellence, [geldings] are taken out of the equation? “At heart, I am a traditionalist, but because I worked at Timeform, and we're all boring nerds that work there, through Phil Bull, Reg Griffin, Geoff Greetham, Dave Newton – the senior men that we all have learned from down the years – they demanded of us to present some reasoning. But I can't really see a reason [for geldings not to run], and the idea that it's protecting the breed is a bit highfalutin. In essence, really, it's poppycock.” Stuart Williams, trainer and breeder “I'm a bit of a traditionalist, I'm afraid. The reason we had parades and such for the Group 1 races was to test the stock to see if they had the temperament to be good stallions. “By the trainer's admission, horses like Calandagan almost certainly wouldn't have been Group 1 horses without the advantage of being geldings. “I understand the argument for the best horses competing being good for racing and creating interest, etc. In my opinion, a handful of races restricted to colts and fillies or mares doesn't impinge too much on the excitement of the overall programme.” Felix Lepeudry, breeder, Elevage de Tourgeville “The geldings are wonderful as they go on through time. Cirrus Des Aigles ran against several generations of stallions and it allowed us to compare them. Some horses run in the Arc with a 100/1 chance because they weren't gelded, meanwhile some well-rated geldings aren't considered and end up running abroad. It would make a lot of big owner-breeders think again before selling. “In trotting, the best horses stay on the track for five or six years and the public gets attached to them a lot more – and they cover in the meantime but that's another topic!” Kate Sigsworth, breeder and deputy chair of the TBA “In the UK and Europe generally we are struggling to supply enough runners of the right calibre to populate these races. The inclusion of geldings make the races more competitive and, therefore, more appealing to a wider audience, something the sport is struggling with at the moment. “All geldings represent a stallion, a mare and her wider family, so to have them winning and competing in these races does help 'the breed'. “I know how hard it can be for trainers to persuade an owner to geld a horse who desperately needs gelding, even when they can still compete in Group 1 races. A horse should be gelded and not used to be bred from if they are unsound either in wind or limb, have temperamental issues, are not well conformed, etc., but they should not be prevented from attaining the best possible racing career they are able to achieve. “Geldings often have a better quality of life while in training than a colt – if there is available turnout it's easier to turn a gelding out, they can be kept in a mixed barn, they can go out with any string, either at the front or the back, and they are easier to give a holiday and rest, etc. “As a breeder I want colts to be tested against the best horses in the country and/or world, not just against the best colts. By doing this I have a better idea of his racing ability and that I am using the best possible stallion for my mare. If we have a champion gelding I would be looking at his sire/sireline to use on my mare. “The BHA has set up a working group to look at ways of stemming the exodus of quality horses to other racing countries – if we don't allow geldings to compete in Group 1 races then British racing is sending a mixed messages.” The post The Great Gelding Debate: Poppycock or Protectionism? appeared first on TDN | Thoroughbred Daily News | Horse Racing News, Results and Video | Thoroughbred Breeding and Auctions. View the full article
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