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Uh? Try the Premier Anti-racing site for that behaviour. BTW its called debate. If you look at BOAY rules they are pub school rules.

Yes it was innovative of the Club at the time. But that's what happens with Clubs from time to time you have an Executive that goes "What the hell lets give this a go"! It works for a while and then politics creep in - committee members change and the new idea people can't get a look in. I remember on a much smaller scale a similar committee at the Westland Racing Club came up with the Miss Scenicland Stakes. Worked for a while and then the energy left. I still don't understand how for a very small amount of money someone can sponsor a race at a country race meeting in memory of grandad. Clubs now have no idea about marketing and rely on the administrators or ENTAIN to do it for them.

Yeah - the Twilight Christmas at the Races hospitality packages are sold out. People are really starting to enjoy these poly tracks! I see free entry for common folk on Mufthasa Day. Hasn't been sold out the last two years. Pain to get to the races as the trains weren't running the last two years. Anyone interested in a fund raiser to get @Huey to the races?

It's a bygone era. The key to the Bayer Classic was the HUGE sponsorship from Bayer and their links to the farming community. That huge sponsorship attracted the best horses. Even in those days Trainers and Owners chased the big dollars. In 1985 when Bonecrusher won the race was worth $122,000 which is about $450k in todays money. The NZ Derby that season was worth $200k so the Bayer was very attractive. In fact it was worth more than the Grp 1 2000 Guineas. From my perspective it was those top horses that got me rushing to the TV on a Thursday.

Show me the analysis.

It is true. Levin has already sold off what it could. That realised cash is slowly diminishing as it funds opex. There isn't enough in the bucket to do anything substantial. I do note though that there are "consultants" clipping the ticket annually.

Oh dear the mafia theory again. How should the allocation be determined? Given there are a limited number of dates available which is decreasing in line with the decreasing horse population. I've suggest in the past that the majority of the dates should be contestable. But the fact is most of the Clubs couldn't afford the contest!

Clubs falling over has less to do with NZTR than you assert. They are falling over for the same reason other clubs are falling over be it the local rugby club or RSA. Those drivers have nothing to do with NZTR. Sure NZTR have stopped propping every Club up because they don't have the resources to support all of them. Why not? I gather you approved of what the Westland Racing Club did when if a fit of churlish pique they gave their assets back to the local community. Racing on the West Coast lost to parochialism and an inability for the four clubs to work together. Oh the irony @Huey if you dig deeper into what the Westland Racing Club did you'll find that on the surface it may have looked a benevolent charitable donation to the community but underneath some benefited just the same way that some are benefitting from the Wellington Racing Club sell off. But that's OK because in your mind the WRC stuck the finger to NZTR! Yes Levin's contribution is significant but it isn't sustainable. If Otaki want to subsidise them then that's their business. Where have NZTR ever said that these Clubs DON'T contribute? In terms of them being surplus isn't it more of a question of is the capital they have invested returning an income that makes them sustainable? The accounts (that we have visibility of) say they aren't. There is a bigger strategic picture that Clubs just don't want to address. If Levin had racedays then very quickly they would end up in the same situation as Ellerslie (was), Te Rapa, Hastings, Trentham and so on.

Levin doesn't have the facilities to run their own racedays and would require considerable capital investment to get up to scratch. Arguably they struggle to maintain what they've got as it is. Meanwhile Otaki has to maintain all its facilities and rents to Levin for three days for peppercorns.

I have no opinion on whether it is archaic or not however even that model wouldn't generate enough revenue for Clubs to pay their way unless they had significant sources of other revenue. Clubs have got by on voluntary work and community donations in services and kind. Hell that is how Hokitika kept going. My own father through his business invested thousands in his local racecourse because it was his passion and hobby. That sought of generosity is diminishing rapidly for many valid reasons.

Last two decades? Yet none of them have done anything to turn things around except expect more handouts? As for your analysis of the 90's that's not correct either. The majority of clubs were sitting on their hands and not keeping up with the maintenance of racing infrastructure. Those chickens are flocking to the roost now! Those Clubs (big or small) that have racing as their sole source of revenue cannot sustain themselves. That is reality.

What the other two? @Huey doesn't count as he is just plain Anit-anything Racing. You are becoming much the same. You are blind to your own hyprocriscy. Why are you concerned now about this issues? You weren't in the past. The irony is you are the biggest moaner about losing your access to the plethora of other betting agencies across the ditch. Your "kids" who are probably adults could have flown under harm rules by doing what their Grand-dad did spreading bets over 18 or more different agencies none of who would have any idea what your total quantum was!!! Yeah na! You are just Anti-ENTAIN and are throwing your toys everywhere! The majority of readers of your posts can see that. Doh! They don't have a separate ATM in the pubs one for the TAB and one for the Pokies and only the latter is questioned. The withdrawals are questioned and limited regardless of where the money is spent. The difference with the TAB is if you use your debit or credit card to load your account the information is recorded. I know for a fact that pub locations will get a phone call from the TAB if repeated large transactions either in or out are done by the same person. I guess none of you are in that category. There are cameras in the pods as well. Which is miles ahead of Pokie compliance measures which is limited restricting cash withdrawals from the bar or bar ATM. Which is a crock anyway as how many bars do you know that within 200m down the road there is a Bank ATM!!

Fascinating.

LOL hypocricsy at its best. Are you judging the youth of today from your own failures? If you are as good as you profess them you need as many people as possible to lose so you can buy your lunch!

Why would NZTR bother investing with a bunch of disparate self interested Clubs who bludge off each other when it suits and have no collective vision? @Huey you are the problem not the solution.

Why wouldnt they when they can bludge off the track down the road?! Geez you talk about mafia!!!

You are wrong wrong wrong. So you are either thick or have an agenda. Tell us which.

OK so you've finally come to the conclusion that under the current model most Clubs can't pay their way.

Why? I guess you are Anti-racing.

It's not "market rate" it's "mates rates"! If Otaki said no we want more so we can pay our way where does Levin go? For that matter why does Otaki have a loan from Levin?

No it doesn't but it has always been an on pace runner and likes clear air. Billy rode it OK as he as in the past. There was nothing to take a sit behind.

The answer to question 2 is yes. Betting IS monitored. As for 3. It is no different to Pokies where it is up to individual responsibility to restrict themsleves and there are processes to do that. You really are bitching for the sake of it. What ENTAIN have in place os light years ahead of the old TAB.

...and we all wonder why CD racing is in such a mess. Levin run their Jumpouts with the minimum of facilities and ongoing maintenance costs. Otaki on the other hand have considerably more racing infrastructure to maintain and to a higher level. $10k to hire a fully functional event venue and core horse racing infrastructure up to raceday standard is well below cost. The reality is neither Club makes enough money to maintain either venue to a high standard.

I realise you look for anything you can to moan about but some of your comments are not correct regarding the Safer Betting options available on the TAB App. Just click on the hamburger button bottom right titled more and you will see on the next menu a position 4 a tab through to a Safer Betting Menu. There you can find a plethora of options to limit your betting - glad you are worried about it just before Christmas and intend to limit your losses. You can also view you statements.

For a start do Levin pass on to Otaki any of the special NZTR Funding from the following categories: Meeting Type; Venue Category; Race Meeting Compliance; Club Compliance Funding; Event Tier. If Levin have 3 out of the 13 meetings held at Otaki shouldn't they be paying at a minimum 23% of the costs to maintain the track and facilities?