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Why? With multiple agencies?

Right so what have you decided to do with that 80% ($1m)?

Geez is everyone looking for ghosts and crabs under rocks?

LOTTO as well? Will they also tax winnings?

Uh? You are the one that is coming up with spurious statistics to support your negative hypothesis that the NZ Thoroughbred Breeding industry is stuffed. None of us have a clue what you are trying to achieve with your obsession.

I already have. I said NONE. As in Zip, Nada, ZERO! You really are quite thick aren't you.

Could be a number of things. There are two sets of customers that could be affected. Those NZ punters that didn't have accounts with the NZ TAB and only bet with overseas agencies; Those NZ punters that had accounts AND overseas accounts. So what would delay punters punting on the NZ TAB? Well some would throw their toys and give up punting altogether. That won't last for long - the itch will get itchier; Those that had only bet overseas might be waiting for compliance issues to get their punting money back to NZ. I imagine for some it wouldn't be straightforward as they would have done all sorts of ruses to get the accounts created. If they don't have an NZ account then they have to go through the account creation process; Some would have NZ accounts and are already restricted so they can't up their betting. Probably trying to convince mum to create an acccount; Gone to underground options which might be temp or permanent; .... There is of course the possibility that it wasn't near the esitmated leakage that the NZTAB and DIA estimated although reading the online moaning going on it seems there was a fair amount. What percentage of your punting was in overseas accounts?

That's your interpretation of his reaction. If it was his expectation that the transfer would be immediate then it was a bit unrealistic.

I never had the expectation that it would be $10m a month nor that it would happen very quickly.

I doubt the "casual punter" worries about any of those factors. A regular punter might and a serious punter would. Although the latter tends to look for value anywhere.

No why? You are trying to find a link between the monopoly legislation AND the number of accounts AND an increase in revenue. You are assuming that you know how many existing accounts with the TAB had accounts overseas AND that some of the new accounts were or weren't NZ customers with only overseas accounts that changed. You are missing a whole lot of data before you derive causation.

Do you have a link?

Which Clubs have the funds to maintain them and which ones are on a regular basis? That is the fundamental question.

Based on what evidence? If they do then yes they probably are on pay with Ellerslie in terms of what the punter perceives as a quality product. I note with 15 mins before the start of race 1 they have $4,500 in the W/P pools.

So? It is having an influence. Are you suggesting that the NZ BASED Stallions are not having an impact? You really don't get the basic concepts of horse breeding do you? There is only so much inbreeding one can do. BTW the most influential stallion in NZ over the last 45 years was Irish bred. His sire sons (many bred in NZ) are still influencing the breed both here and in OZ.

Well at least ENTAIN are telling the local industry that they need to get their shyte together and provide a quality product. With the prior ownership model their didn't appear to be any push back at all.

What list every Club? What part of ALL don't you understand? Certainly if you are an example of past committees racing was NEVER in good hands! Fill ya boots: https://is-register.companiesoffice.govt.nz/search/

Should The Everest a Slot Race have Group 1 status?

Asian Pattern Committee to meet on Australia’s black-type uncertainty Asian Pattern Committee delegates are set to meet this week to discuss Australia’s black-type program and its place within international conventions. https://bitofayarn.com By Tim Rowe Racing Industry November 27, 2025 The Warra is one of a number of upgraded NSW races which hasn’t be internationally recognised on pedigrees. (Photo by Jeremy Ng/Getty Images) Australia’s long-running inability to find a uniform solution to its black-type calendar is likely to be the subject of a specially convened Asian Pattern Committee meeting on Friday.https://bitofayarn.com The Straight understands that the APC is set to come together two weeks earlier than planned to discuss Racing Australia’s inaction in having an approved system in place to determine the Pattern races run across the country’s states and territories each season. An APC meeting was scheduled for December 12, two days before the Hong Kong International meeting at Sha Tin. It’s unclear whether that meeting will also proceed. Separately, it is also unknown if Racing Australia has provided correspondence to the APC in recent months regarding the issue, which continues to frustrate sections of the racing and breeding industry. Advertisement It is believed that the APC may have given Racing Australia a mid-November deadline to respond to the issue. It is not known if this response has been received. Racing Australia’s scheduled September meeting, in which the Pattern was a central agenda item, did not go ahead when it was unable to achieve a quorum because Racing NSW was not represented.https://bitofayarn.com Racing NSW and Racing Victoria hold power of veto over the national body and, in effect, for change to occur both principal racing authorities (PRAs) need to agree on a path forward for the Pattern, which has been in abeyance for several years. Racing Australia’s APC delegate, Racing SA chair Rob Rorrison, declined to comment when asked by The Straight whether it had put forward a proposal about the Pattern or indeed whether a meeting was to be held this week. Asian Racing Federation secretary general Andrew Harding also declined to comment when contacted. Previous attempts to contact APC chair, Japan Racing Association’s head of race planning Takahiro Uno, have been unsuccessful. One of the options which could be open to international authorities such as the APC when addressing issues of compliance with pattern guidelines is a recommendation of a demotion to Part 2 of the International Cataloguing Standards Book, known as the Blue Book. Last year, a proposal to introduce ratings-based Black Type Guidelines as a way of overhauling Australia’s Pattern calendar was set to be adopted, only for some states to back out due to participant backlash. Racing NSW pushed on and upgraded or placed stakes status on numerous races.https://bitofayarn.com However, that black-type is not recognised internationally nor does it feature in pedigrees and bloodstock sale catalogues in Australasia or overseas. When it appeared as though Australia was making Pattern progress about 14 months ago, international authorities did agree to grant Group 1 status to Racing NSW’s The Everest and Racing Victoria’s All-Star Mile. Last year’s Everest winner Bella Nipotina and this year’s Hong Kong fly-in Ka Ying Rising both earned Group 1 status on their pedigree pages as a result of their victories in the $20 million race. Tom Kitten’s All-Star Mile victory at Flemington in March was also recognised domestically and internationally as his second win at the highest level. The Group 1 badge awarded to both races was seen as a stepping stone toward an overall reshaping of Australia’s black-type protocols, but it also sparked fears that smaller states could be the biggest losers if a hardline, ratings-based approach to upgrading and downgrading stakes races were implemented. It proved to be a major obstacle for the respective PRA delegates on the Racing Australia board, who so far have been unable to reach an agreement, continuing the years-long impasse involving the future direction of the Pattern.

@Huey will you provide us with your erudite analysis on how the Australian Breeding Industry is saving New Zealand Racing as you have asserted?

I did. I said ALL of them! Doesn't that align with your view of the state of NZ Racing?

Let's make it easier for you - why don't you name one that is? As I said in an earlier post from the large number of Clubs financial reports I've read none of them have enough revenue to maintain their infrastructure.

I assure you I'm not delusional. What I do know is your negativity has reached a point of no return. You fit a well defined profile and sub-tribe of Grumpy Old Men. As for delusional I suggest you try some mirror gazing - you think moaning online and being negative about everything will change anything while making promises with an unused paint brush. LOL and you say I'm delusional?

We are all starting to worry about your state of mind @Huey. It seems to be getting more and depressed and irrational. Now you are backing Australian racing when they do everything you despise at level 10 times above NZ. I gather you have had a bad experience in NZ racing and you havent got over it. Please share with us your specific issues so we can all work to help get you to move on.

Their own land that they can't afford to maintain properly.