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Great field. It's all looking up.

Whatever. You're the one that googled. To prove what? Cast doubt? Create another conspirac Post the evidence that whatever you are talking about happens. This thread is closed. The rest of us are enjoying racings bew renaissance.

Shame you don't apply it in some of your analysis.

IT ISNT VALID SO THEREFORE THERE ISNT ANY MESSAGE!!!

Not from healthy animals but from "fridge gassed" ones? There are many other explanations for what she describes.

Because the message is bullshit and not worth giving oxygen to. You really surprise me considering your research background although not in a proper science.

Really resorting to AI now? Why don't you just take up a SAFE subscription? So where does Nairn get her comparative autopsy pictures to confirm her conclusions? From your AI extract: Scientific Evidence and Limitations Studies have shown modest increases in EPO and plasma volume after xenon inhalation, but no consistent improvement in athletic performance

I do because they are opinions without a skerrit of truth. Just like I detest industry participants who partake in unfounded runourmongering. They do more damage than the small percentage of cheats.

We've argued this one before @the galah and your point of view is absolute crap. Those in the USA were done for relabelling common drugs that have legitimate uses in the industry. Things like Clenbuterol. You and others really piss me off with this type of posting. I see @Freda supports your post and I thought she had more intelligence than that. I've also told you that there is no such thing as an undectable drug. Whats more the so called "undetectables" and the other fraudulently labelled drugs were in the hand of the US Feds long before charges were laid i.e. they knew exactly what they were and their chemical fingerprint. But let's et Becks Nairn and her followers muddy the facts.

It never found anything because there was nothing to find. Occam's Razor.

You're as bad as Nairn @the galah Can you post the evidence supporting your assertion that Arcano was given "fridge gas". Thanks un advance. I'd live to see the research that Xenon or Argon administered to a horse improves oxygen uptake.

You shouldn't buy felt pens for your grandchildren.

That's what I meant. Are you not refreshing your browser again.

So which one are you looking to get a bet on? The markets are up.

Perhaps not deliberately. But some, mostly old disenfranchised men, are so bitter and cynical that they do nothing but continually attack the industry. Especially those that are successful. In my opinion that is Anti-Racing. Over the last 3 years I've experienced it more and more and at times it has been embarrasing having introduced a close friend to her first foray into horse ownership. From the old timers at the local wanting copies of the invoices so they can suck lemons and bang on about how expensive the top trainers are. Or the "hangers on" that suddenly appeared to live vicariously live off the thrill of a distant relative while all they could do was bitch about how bad the trainer was and that they would never have a horse with them again blah blah. Then have the gall to tag on to the post race Grp win celebration and smile and congratulate the trainer. The same person had the gall to tell me I was just a newbie to racing and didn't know anything. You can imagine my response! Or the Anti-racing types on social media that promote conspiracies without any evidence especially to negate the consistent sucesss. Harness is especially bad at it. When someone is winning - "oh they must be cheating and using PED's". Well they haven't been caught. "Must be something that is undectable". All BS and that's Anti-racing. So if you want to talk about "dirty little secrets" or make inferences about someone cheating you'd better have your evidence ready. Becks Nairn doesn't provide any balance in her presentations nor solid evidence hence she can be labelled yet another unprincipled nutter conspiracist. For example do you hear her saying that "fridge gas" (whatever that is) has no reported performance enhancing nor therapeutic properties? NO. Of course not - no air time in that.

That's fine. NZTR may have no problem with horses being euthanised but they are happy to pass the buck. Hopefully they don't create stupid KPI's and report on the ones that get turned back!

@Freda the Anti-racing types don't want ANY horses slaughtered for food.

It isn't the biggest problem yet the industry is setting itself for it to be the biggest problem for racing. The fact is you can't rehome them all. If you start tracking them ALL from the cradle to the grave and then reporting on those stupid "KPI's" then you open yourself up to the Anti-racing nutters focussing on them. Just like Greyhounds we'll end up getting hoisted by our own petard! The more you monitor, the more you rehome the greater the likelihood of finding non-compliance and then the monitoring costs increase and the greater the unaffordability of racing. It is a massive shotgun to the feet to start reporting on where these horses go. One horse going to the abbatoir to end up feeding the woke's obeses handbag dogs is one too many for the damn hypocrites. Most of them own that naturally unsurvivable breed the French Bulldog! But what does she mean when she says she wants "better enforcement of the use of performance enhancers"? She like a number of you buy into this myth that the use of illegal PED's is rampant. IT ISN'T!!!! My biggest criticism of the RIB, NZTR and HRNZ is that they don't do enough to promote the fact that there ISN'T widespread use of illegal PED's. Plus standardise their rules and be more pragmatic about environmental contamination. They also don't do enough to educate their licensees or research the use of approved human therapeutics on horses. Now that would be a use for those uses that are being "rehome"! For example is the injection of the new novel anti-arthritic drugs into the knees and fetlocks to prevent wear and tear and reverse damage "performance enhancing"? NO it isn't. But you can imagine what the likes of Becks Nairn will say. I wish those drugs were around 40 years ago as I know a few horses that would have stayed at the elite level longer.

It's the preservatives. Although looking at the calories per serving it might be better than a bag of Dunstan High Performance Feed.

I might make some Cherinos (7%) (Sugar, Glucose, Water, Stabilisers (401, 410, 415).

As an industrial chemist you'd love them! Fruit Cake (Mixed Fruit (32%) (Sultanas, Currants, Citrus Peel (Contains Sulphites)), Sugar, Wheat Flour, Egg, Margarine (Animal Fat, Vegetable Oil, Water, Salt, Emulsifiers (471, 322-Soy), Acidity Regulators (500, 330), Antioxidant (307b-Soy), Colour (160a)), Cherinos (7%) (Sugar, Glucose, Water, Stabilisers (401, 410, 415), Firming Agents (341, 339), Flavour, Preservatives (223-Sulphites, 202), Colours (102, 124, 142)), Butter (Milk, Salt), Flavour (Flavour, Colour (150d)), Glycerine, Stabiliser (420, 407), Emulsifiers (435, 471, 475), Raising Agent (500, 450), Colour (150c, 160a), Spices, Humectants (450, 1520), Acidity Regulator (570), Preservative (202)), Icing (11%) (Icing Sugar, Glucose, Coconut Oil, Water, Glycerine, Gelatine, Salt, Preservative (202), Acidity Regulator (330), Flavour, Colour (102)), Glaze (Sugar, Water, Glucose, Preservative (202)) Contains: Wheat, Gluten, Milk, Egg, Soy, Sulphites. May contain Peanuts, Tree Nuts & Sesame Seeds.

Well when you are lounging in an infinity pool in Dubai to check out your oil futures investment you need to realise you are in a non-gambling country. But you could always ring your Christchurch runners to nip down to the local pub outlet with the days Sleeper sales cash and put it on. I would have thought you would be more organised than this.

Whatever my dear old china @MaltedMilkshake @Rowley Mile @Joe Bloggs. On the one hand you say I can't be trusted with your personal details yet on the other hand you say I have the wrong person. It's one or the other. As for trusting me with your personal details - you haven't. I took an educated guess based on recognising a pattern of behaviour and posting style. I then crossed referenced the posts from the various accounts and identified a pattern. Anyone can do that. Assuming those three accounts are yours then I've posted nothing personal other than what you have already posted yourself. As @MaltedMilkshake you didn't post anything for over 18 months until recently and before that about 3 posts since 2019. No you came here with one intention. No doubt your mate Bob has been chewing your ear.

If I'm a lonely old sod I don't know what that makes you. You are being negative and your friend Becks deserves a spray for the crap she writes. You are bitter and twisted about racing for some reason probably because of some past slight that hurt your ego. There you go again selecting old isolated incidents and tarrying everyone and racing in general. Piece of advice get completely out of the game if you haven't already as the acid bitterness you display is eating you from the inside.

@Rowley Mile aka @MaltedMilkshake aka @Joe Bloggs has history on here. Sooner or later he'll get pissed off and go back to dreaming about his next Roc de Cambes champion. You should look him up he lives just down the road from you. He's only shit stirring and is another bitter anti-racing type.