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A typical @Thomass embellished story.

Yes @Thomass

Still don't get your point. It's not as if you get any reward for being 9th on the Trainers Premiership. Delaying litigation is a common legal tactic and I see no problem with that either.

Actually I just twigged to your reference - very funny! Do you think @Thomass has finished the Mills and Boons complete collection?

I don't see the connection are you saying that without Cole his horses would run second?

Why should NZTR be responsible for funding Club infrastructure especially when there isn't enough revenue to go around?

What is even more amusing is you and @Thomass sharing the same IP address.

What's wrong with that?

What does the fact Fawcett being a woman have anything to do with it? I thought violence was non-discriminatory? Maybe they took into account the provocation from Fawcett? She initiated the incident with a highly dangerous and illegal action e.g. pushing out and continuing to do so. Pinn fought to maintain his line although we are all speculating until we see the stewards vision. I would say her anger took over as well because if she had been fully focussing on her ride she would have noticed there was a better run home on the inside.

You are sending them to yourself?

If he doesn't stop misbehaving he'll have zero speech. Quite frankly I've had enough of his juvenile attempts at humour and his equally juvenile style of writing which he only expresses here.

I would have led him in.

Regardless of how it was funded it was never enough. Clubs needed to get alternative revenue. The whole Club funding model is crap. Make the stakes portion of the wagering revenue contestable based on a number of key metrics. However a Club still needs other sources of revenue. Your model would only fund less than 10 racecourses IF they didnt have other sources of funding.

Why is it incumbent? If it is then NZTR have the option of choosing WHO they fund using the limited amount of funds they have. Next you will be saying it is incumbent on the NZ Taxpayer to fund your hobby.

When was the last competitive sport you competed in @Thomass aka @bono ? Let me guess tiddlewinks at the local RSA? Sorry I meant indoor bowls. I tell you now in my sporting career I had my elbows out and so did everyone else.

Judge for yourself rather than looking at @Thomass aka @bono selected screenshots.

No that Freehold land was one of the factors not the complete picture nor did I rank the relative importance. That said CJC seem to have a more secure location than the likes of New Plymouth. As for you second question you miss the point. It is incumbent on each and ever club to maintain their own infrastructure. Not many are doing it.

I'm getting sick and tired of the old men and women moaning about every little thing they can find with what they perceive to be wrong. Yes @Freda I'll quote from the Leo Molloy playbook - most of them haven't acheived a great deal of success in racing and are blaming anything they can find for that lack of success. Racing is a tough brutal game for lots of reasons not the least of which is you are dealing with a 500kg animal that is not only tough but fragile, that is not only smart but dumb. PS: @Murray Fish I don't put you in the moaner category by a long way.

Perhaps @Thomass taking the photos scared it.

Yes @Thomass gets away with a lot online.

Really @Thomass!?

Well you seem to have the "full facts". You tell us why it is "anathema" to you. Or are you like the @Comic Dog and you trust your gossip sources?

I don't believe it is hindsight more head in the sand and Clubs running as Clubs not businesses. The Clubs that will surivive will have freehold land, low cost structures and the ability to earn other streams of revenue. Ideally they will have training facilities. They will be able to support at least 12 race meetings a year. I thought the Mesara Report was close but too harsh. Now after seeing the financials for the TAB and what was needed to bail it out coupled with visiting a few more racecourses in the last year I don't believe the Mesara Report went far enough. I did think at one stage the industry could work a rotation model of racing but the fact is that Clubs are not cooperative enough and are too financially constrained to work like that.

If you are deferring maintenance of your core racing assets you are NOT living within your means. Costs increased at a faster rate than revenue and maintenance kept being deferred. Looking back I doubt the industry was ever living within its means. The belief systems 50 years ago believed that our tracks would last forever just like we thought our crop, pasture and market garden systems would. In the 80's and 90's they started to collapse.