Chief Stipe

Instead of Wilcox moonlighting as a spotter at Karaka perhaps he should be digging an area to shift the 2400m start to allow a better camber on the "iconic shaped" corner?

I'm waiting to see the Stewards vision hopefully unedited.

Maybe but there are a fair number of women involved. Which perhaps highlights that the average person doesn't give a jot about your contived morality.

At least she will have some consideable residual value given the her pedigree. SAVABEEL (AUS) (Brown 2001-Stud 2005). 3 wins-1 at 2, MVRC WS Cox P., Gr.1. Champion Sire in NZ 9 times. Sire of 1334 rnrs, 975 wnrs, 145 SW, 33 G1 wnrs, inc. SW Kawi (Hawkes Bay Makfi Challenge S., Gr.1), Probabeel, Atishu, Lucia Valentina, Sangster, Soriano, Scarlett Lady, Orchestral, Savvy Coup, Shillelagh, I Wish I Win, Mo'unga, Costume, Concert Hall, Prise de Fer, The Chosen One, Diademe, Amarelinha, etc. 1st dam Symphonic, by O'Reilly. 4 wins 1400m to 2200m, NZ$102,600, ARC Dunstan Feeds Stayers H., Waikato RC Lodge Real Estate H., Counties RC Lone Star Pukekohe H., 2d WRC Cuddle S., Gr.3, ARC Fasttrack Insurance H., Dunstan Stayers Qualifier H. Sister to Tralee Chorus, Glee (dam of SAVAGLEE), three-quarter-sister to Spring (dam of DAFFODIL). This is her third living foal. Her second foal is a 2YO. Dam of one foal to race- ORCHESTRAL (f by Savabeel). Champion 3YO & Stayer in New Zealand in 2023-24. 6 wins-1 at 2 and 5 in succession-from only 11 starts 1200m to 2400m, NZ$1,578,150, A$531,000, to 2023-24, New Zealand Derby, Gr.1, ATC Vinery Stud S., Gr.1, Avondale Guineas, Gr.2, Auckland TR Karaka Million 3YO Classic, RL, Barfoot & Thompson S., 2d Auckland TR Bonecrusher S., Gr.3, Avondale Classic S., 3d ATC Australian Oaks, Gr.1. 2nd dam CHORUS, by Danasinga. Unraced. Half-sister to GOOD FAITH (dam of TULLY DANE, MYGOODGRACE), Heads or Tales, Spring (dam of DAFFODIL). Dam of 8 named foals, all raced, 6 winners, inc:- Symphonic (O'Reilly). 4 wins. See above. Tralee Chorus (O'Reilly). 3 wins 1400m to 1800m, 3d Tasmanian Oaks, L. Glee. Raced once. Dam of 3 winners- SAVAGLEE (Savabeel). 5 wins-2 at 2-900m to 1400m, NZ$371,225, to 2024-25, Hawke's Bay Guineas, Gr.2, Te Aroha JC James & Annie Sarten Memorial S., Gr.2, Matamata RC Slipper S., Gr.3, 2d Hawkes Bay El Roca Trophy, L, 4th Auckland TR Sistema S., Gr.1. 3rd dam HEAD OF THE RIVER, by Shirley Heights. Placed at 3 in GB. Half-sister to DRY DOCK. Dam of 12 foals, 9 to race, 7 winners, inc:- GOOD FAITH (Straight Strike). Top filly on The 1996-97 Australasian 2YO Classification. 2 wins at 2 at 1200m, 1400m, NZ$119,750, ARC Ellerslie Sires' Produce S., Gr.1, Great Northern Foal S., Gr.3. Producer. Heads or Tales (Tale of the Cat). 3 wins at 1400m, 1600m, ARC Robert Harris Espresso H., 3d Otago Breeders' S., L. Grandam of- AEGON (Sacred Falls). Champion 3YO in NZ in 2020-21. 6 wins-5 in succession-1300m to 1600m, NZ$1,020,050, A$759,600, HK$660,000, New Zealand Two Thousand Guineas, Gr.1, ATC Hobartville S., Gr.2. Spring. 2 wins at 1400m. Dam of 6 winners- DAFFODIL (No Excuse Needed). Champion 3YO in NZ in 2008-09. 8 wins-1 at 2-1100m to 2400m, NZ$550,825, A$498,400, AJC Australian Oaks, Gr.1, Hawkes Bay Windsor Park Challenge P., Gr.1. Producer. Posy. 2 wins at 1400m, Rotorua RC Lowe Schollum & Jones H. Dam of- ATISHU (Savabeel). 11 wins-5 in succession-1400m to 2000m, NZ$89,425, A$5,010,575, to 2024-25, VRC LKS Mackinnon S., Gr.1, Empire Rose S., Gr.1, ATC Queen of the Turf S., Gr.1. SOLD Purchaser Mulcaster Bloodstock Ltd / Chris Waller Racing Location New South Wales Price $2,400,000 ADDENDUM & ERRATA The following have been lodged for this lot: X-Rays, Scope Video. PEDIGREE UPDATES From the same family as AEGON (2017.g. by Sacred Falls-Toss Up, by Zabeel-Heads or Tales). 2nd Auckland TR Great Northern Challenge S. Gr.3 From the same family as AEGON (2017.g. by Sacred Falls-Toss Up, by Zabeel-Heads or Tales). 4th WRC Thorndon Mile Gr.1 From the same family as ATISHU (2017.f. by Savabeel-Posy, by No Excuse Needed-Spring). 2nd VRC (Flemington) LKS Mackinnon S. Gr.1 Sister to ORCHESTRAL (2020.f. by Savabeel-Symphonic, by O'Reilly-Chorus). 1st Auckland TR Aotearoa Classic L Closely related to SAVAGLEE (2021.c. by Savabeel-Glee, by O'Reilly-Chorus). 1st New Zealand Two Thousand Guineas Gr.1 Closely related to SAVAGLEE (2021.c. by Savabeel-Glee, by O'Reilly-Chorus). 1st Levin Classic Gr.2 From the same family as Marble Arch (2019.f. by Per Incanto-Jonquil, by Sakhee's Secret-Spring Dancer). 1st MRC Ive Idea Execution H. From the same family as Marble Arch (2019.f. by Per Incanto-Jonquil, by Sakhee's Secret-Spring Dancer). 1st VRC (Flemington) TAB H. From the same family as Marble Arch (2019.f. by Per Incanto-Jonquil, by Sakhee's Secret-Spring Dancer). 2nd MRC Lord S. L

I see he bought a horse at the sales.

I'd tend to agree with that comment. I also think there is an element of "that part isn't our job" and they assume (wrongly) that those whose job it is will get it right. For example did Ellerslie consult Jockeys and Trainers about keeping the "iconic shape" of the track BEFORE they built the new hybrid StrathAyr? The track plays at the moment as a stack them up, sit and sprint and hope you have the gas and wheels to last up the straight. The Railway was a classic example where they ran the first half nearly 5 seconds slower than the last half. Horses couldn't get traction or stability to improve until they straightened. All well and good saying that when the rain came the surface stayed firm when you still can't get going on it. Then we get the puff piece article in the Herald from Guerin saying how great the track was and quoting what a fantastic job Ellerslie has done. I gather he didn't talk to any Jockeys or Trainers!!

Yep and Trainers and Onwers only see each other as competitors and don't work together to address the issues that affect them all. Their respective associations are just token nodding sideshows.

Doesn't matter what the daily rate is if you don't win.

Yes. A Slot holder is not always a Trainer so will be looking to find the best chance to get a return on their investment. A stable might have more than one horse that is competitive given the conditions of the race. A win/win for a stable as it gives them more than one chance of making money from the sweepstake.

Te Akau's is $157 + GST. BTW the big stables in NZ are charging more than $90 a day.

No. Nothing has changed other than Mark will be based full-time in OZ. Not much different to the top OZ Trainers having permanent stables in 2 or 3 States.

Haven't you been listening or reading what those with skin in the South Island game have been saying? The track at the South Island HQ are poorly managed and the programming is a mess. Just two reasons that make it tough to race in the South Island.

Here's hoping Mr Ritchie and Mr Carston use their significant investment and resources to get changes to those things that according to many who post on here are destroying South Island racing.

The stakes are a magnitude better, the opportunities are more numerous and the tracks are a 100 times better. All wins for the owner. Even if it is 25% more expensive isn't it better to have a chance to safely race your horse when you choose rather than partake in the local NZ lottery?

Yes and the moment you wake up you start moaning and bitching about what is wrong with racing and take aim at those who are successful. Hell you even bag the best Jockeys!! Why don't the moaners bang their collective heads together instead of individualy on the cell walls and attempt to change things? They won't of course as like many in the industry they'd rather moan about it and fire envy driven pot-shots at others.

All well and good however turnover ISN'T everything. The important metric is Net Revenue. When BGP eventually get round to winning their winnings will have been subsidised by every other punter due to the incentives and discounts BGP gets that no other punter does. Of course if they consistently lose everything everything they punt then the net revenue is a gain to the industry. Those points aside the bigger question I ask is they lose big even with all the incentives, all the special access privileges, all the expert knowledge and with all the information they have. How do you sugar coat the sows ear message - "The TAB won half a million dollars AGAIN of the BGP". Many BGP participants who have invested in the BGP betting pool are asking the question. So is the current marketing message going to lead to a sustainable industry? I don't think so.

Done alright in the last 5 years.

Apparently it is heading to Waller.

Who? Why would you spend $200k+ on a yearling and take it to the South Island?

That's the key point. His boot hit the hock of the horse in the run to the judge. Not at the start! It is akin to a bloody hard over head whip hit.

Why ask the question when you know the answer?

FFS you're taking the piss now. I was referring to the maiden stakes in NZ!! You get more than that in the OZ country.

Are you thick? Or are you in the post rest home cooked dinner fog?

@nomates it isn't fake news. What have you done recently to change the things you constantly criticise?

I've just about had enough of this bullshit. Why don't you go join @nomates and @Joe Bloggs they are more your type.