Chief Stipe

So you want the rest of us to fund your hobby? One I might add where you are happy to race a horse that wins one race in 20.

Didn't help when successive Labour Governments made the cost of the inputs to manufacturing so expensive or unattainable. Perhaps but what business gives their product for no cost to someone else to make money out of? Easy to set a "competitive price" when you aren't paying the true cost of the product. Even in free markets there are rules against that.

But you said you "are not here to fund NZ Racing".

Often the best 2yr old hasn't been eligible for the KM. For example Imperatriz. Since her year it has got even tougher for those not eligible for the KM to win the Grp 1's as the pattern is focussed on the Sweepstake and Slot races. All roads lead to Ellerslie and that track surface doesn't suit all horses nor does drawing wide. I doubt that it ever will be a fair track. Which ones ended up in the bush in Australia?

So you'd prefer Slot or Sweepstake races funded by participants?

But more profitable.

So if you back Argentina you are getting betting odds than 2/1.

Have you taken up cycling? Woops that Spandex. Who do you think most New Zealanders are backing? Even at $1.30 I imagine it represents a big loss when the AB's win. Does the "big difference" also apply to the other side of the bet? What is Argentina paying on Spandex? $3.40 on TABNZ.

Agree. Alternatives to stands. People don't mind marques when it suits. I think power and broadcast facilities need upgrading. But I suspect that the Avondale track wouldn't sustain much racing before problems manifested themselves. I doubt much maintenance has been done during the racing hiatus.

Well that didn't count last year. On a points basis used by NZB Filly of the Year Captured By Love won easily but didn't score a Grp 1 as a 2yr old. The fact is the voters are an eclectic bunch and base their choices on opinion rather than science.

Well you would think an ex-Attorney General Chris Finlayson KC would have given appropriate advice. However it seems the argument that is puzzling the Judge is what is it exactly they are hoping to gain by an injunction/interim relief. Especially since the ban is not yet in place. They could argue that the ban is affecting decision making now by Greyhound stakeholders and that they propose to argue in court against the actual ban. But at the end of the day when the Government makes a decision it is very hard to overturn it. Yes. Although some democracies have other checks and balances such as a Human Rights Act with teeth and an Upper House. All we have really is the Governor General!

Very hard to over turn a Paliamentary decision in the courts. At the end of the day Parliament sets the laws and the courts interpret and enforce them. There are few if any checks and balances in the NZ system.

Really? That's surprising coming from the Chief Cynic. I gather the KM was a quality field?

Does the boss know you spend so much time online while at work?

Close - Last Dorada perhaps just crosses the line first. KM and a Grp 1. Not much between them.

There you go only another kilo and he'll be back up on all those age group horses.

If you are referring to me that isn't what I said. Now you're just being an idiot or worse. Or perhaps someone whose cynicism doesn't allow them know much at all. Any owner or trainer with a talented horse that is good enough would be doing themselves and the industry a disservice by not targeting a black type race in OZ.

What's Opies?

Especially if you aren't eligible for the Slot Race or the KM. All roads lead to Ellerslie but not all the horses can go there for eligibility and track suitability reasons.

Some went just south down the road about 20km to Byerley Park. About 7 or 8 trainers there.

Yes I would have thought @Huey with his extensive knowledge and opinions on NZ Racing would have known that already. Perhaps his office trainee needs to put another column in the spreadsheet.

Well that's the problem when you start quoting Equity figures as a sign that all is well when it isn't. They have an operating loss primarily driven by finance costs. That isn't financially healthy long term is it? Make it profitable or sell it before there is no equity left. Why does it matter? They played for the Crusaders end of story. What's more they WANTED to play for the Crusaders. Why? To advance their careers as much as possible. None of them went to Secondary School in Auckland either.

The equity in 2021 was $128.5m. So between then and 2024 $34.5m in equity has been lost! Enough to probably pay ENTAIN's upcoming AUSTRAC fine! So seems to more dive than dip. Even if they sold Pukekohe for $70m they'd still be owing $10m in debt.

I'm surprised @Gammalite you didn't pick up in the same report that ENTAIN had set aside $100m as a contingency in the accounts for an AUSTRAC fine and that mediation was still in process. They emphasised that the $100m was just a placeholder and not an indication of where negotiations were at.

I'd say they'd prefer to target the Guineas however I think you'll find that Avantaggia is not eligible for the Kiwi B. Damask Rose went down the path it did because it had problems early in the season and was eligible for the Kiwi B.