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Why wouldnt they when they can bludge off the track down the road?! Geez you talk about mafia!!!

You are wrong wrong wrong. So you are either thick or have an agenda. Tell us which.

OK so you've finally come to the conclusion that under the current model most Clubs can't pay their way.

Why? I guess you are Anti-racing.

It's not "market rate" it's "mates rates"! If Otaki said no we want more so we can pay our way where does Levin go? For that matter why does Otaki have a loan from Levin?

No it doesn't but it has always been an on pace runner and likes clear air. Billy rode it OK as he as in the past. There was nothing to take a sit behind.

The answer to question 2 is yes. Betting IS monitored. As for 3. It is no different to Pokies where it is up to individual responsibility to restrict themsleves and there are processes to do that. You really are bitching for the sake of it. What ENTAIN have in place os light years ahead of the old TAB.

...and we all wonder why CD racing is in such a mess. Levin run their Jumpouts with the minimum of facilities and ongoing maintenance costs. Otaki on the other hand have considerably more racing infrastructure to maintain and to a higher level. $10k to hire a fully functional event venue and core horse racing infrastructure up to raceday standard is well below cost. The reality is neither Club makes enough money to maintain either venue to a high standard.

I realise you look for anything you can to moan about but some of your comments are not correct regarding the Safer Betting options available on the TAB App. Just click on the hamburger button bottom right titled more and you will see on the next menu a position 4 a tab through to a Safer Betting Menu. There you can find a plethora of options to limit your betting - glad you are worried about it just before Christmas and intend to limit your losses. You can also view you statements.

For a start do Levin pass on to Otaki any of the special NZTR Funding from the following categories: Meeting Type; Venue Category; Race Meeting Compliance; Club Compliance Funding; Event Tier. If Levin have 3 out of the 13 meetings held at Otaki shouldn't they be paying at a minimum 23% of the costs to maintain the track and facilities?

Are you serious? Surely you aren't suggesting that he took a sit behind Elyssian Fields which stopped reall quickly. Pinn tried to settle EV but he was running very strongly. EV is better over 2000m and he was always vulnerable coming back to 1600m and giving that much weight to Mary Shan who admittedly is running above her previous form at the moment.

WOW! A breakthrough! I do detect a glimmer of optimism from you. Did the home provide a full English Breakfast today?

Probably nothing but Ellerslie will probably keep the subsidies.

No I'm asking you if you think it is a fair charge for the use of an event venue including track and all the facilities PLUS an expectation that the OTAKI track manager will do their job properly and ALL the facilities will be up to scratch. You wouldn't much change out of $10k for a wedding venue hire for 250 people. Well Masterton and Tauherenikau are another interesting case - however Tauherenikau have a good source of non-racing income to support Masterton which essentially run the training centre at Opaki. I don't have to trash it out with anyone. It is all in the two Clubs accounts. However Levin is transparent with their Racing Club accounts which essentially is the raceday transactions and equity balances but a not very transparent with the detail of the three trusts that effectively run the activity at the Levin racecourse. From what I see if Otaki had the full revenue from the 3 Levin Racing Club racedates giving the a total of 13 then Otaki would probably be profitable. At this stage neither are and the only advantage Levin has is the Capital they banked when selling land. What is clear that although the Levin Racing Club does a grand job providing jumpouts for the region it isn't a profitable business and Levin relies on the subsidisation from Otaki. I wouldn't be surprised if in the past when Otaki have squeaked Levin has just well if you want to increase the fee we may as well shift out dates to RACE at Awapuni. I suspect that may have happened if it wasn't for the problems with the Awapuni track.

Impossible to impress you @Huey given you want a 100% discount and a money back guarantee on everything.

Considering the funding that Levin gets for their 3 racedays do you think a rental of $10,000 per meeting for the Otaki track and facilities is fair and reasonable? To Otaki?

How much do they pay?

No I'm saying that the Levin Racing Club (an Incorporated Society) has formed three Trusts two are registered Charitable Trusts the status of the third is not clear.

Don't they race at Otaki?

How much do they fund Otaki?

It isn't an Incorporated Trust. It is a Charitable Trust of which obstensibly there are three although one of them isn't registered as a Charity. It isn't clear who the beneficiaries are. It appears the Trusts were set up when the Levin Racing Club sold a parcel of land to a developer.

So a sham trust? Those types of Trusts haven't been fairing too well lately.

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Who leases it?

I wouldn't worry about the copyright - copyright is owned by The Post not the other site which copies shit loads from here anyway.