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$4.4m Randwick. $5.1m Hastings.

I see there was more turnover at the Hastings meeting than at Randwick on the NZ TAB.

No they select the best from those that are available. For example Imperatriz and Asfoora weren't available. Alcohol Free was nowhere near Yulongs first choice.

The isn't a hell of a lot of class 1200m or true sprinter form in the rest of field past 4th. I'm starting to think you didn't look at the field at all.

The 3 that just happen to be the first three home. Who were the specialist sprinters that were beaten?

I said up to - not including.

The reason is that first Australia and then New Zealand reduced the number of opportunities for stayers. The Everest just as The Golden Slipper does will further shift the dial towards sprinters.

How can they not when there are millions of dollars spent on marketing it to the rank and file. NSW Racing finally got off their arse and started a carnival to match Melbourne and marketed it!

If you shoved your arrogance where the sun don't shine for a moment and re-read the article you may get the point of it. Instead of calling it "horseshit"! The first three horses don't have sprinter breeding and two have won over 1500m or more. Not many out and out sprinters get past 1400m. There are always exceptions but they are few. The trainer of the winner wants to race him over longer distances which he is bred to succeed at. I guess it is one of the reasons that Moody kept IWIW fresh. He ran third in the Memsie first up over 1400m then didn't race for 6 weeks. The other point the article makes is that The Everest has thrown a spanner in the race pattern. The lure of the dirty lucre! Another one of the reasons I don't think the race will have longevity. Although overseas horses might save it.

Yes. A sprint is classed up to 1600m.

But each of the three individuals are not bred to be sprinters regardless of any remote sprinting evidence that you may elude to. Two of the horses in the article have won at 1500m or more. One has won an Australian Guineas! Nature Strip an out and out sprinter never won past 1200m.

It is probably why Peter Moody has said that Imperatriz is currently the best sprinter in Australia.

The best middle distance horses usually have an exceptional turn of foot.

You are the one who said the article was horse shit but haven't come up with anything to counter it. Einsteins father wasn't a genius either.

But as the original article I posted said the first three place getters in The Everest are bred to be milers at least. Your logic is circular - you mentioned sires that were sprinters in their own right but sired middle distance horses and were successful broodmare sires.

Oh Dear......Savabeel won a Cox Plate and the Champion Stakes over 2000m. Success Express won a 1600m race as two year old in race record time. He also sired a NZ Oaks Winner......

But each of those sires left middle distance horses through their daughters.

Flying Spur has a middle distance pedigree hence winning the Australian Guineas. His best progeny won at 1600m or more. He even sired a Caufield Cup winner.

None of the three in the article have dominant sprinting pedigrees. Think About It DP = 2-1-6-5-0 (14) DI = 0.75 CD = 0.00 I Wish I Win DP = 0-1-3-0-0 (4) DI = 1.67 CD = 0.25 Private Eye DP = 4-8-16-2-0 (30) DI = 2.00 CD = 0.47

Your analysis for Think About It?

How else do you do it? Make the pie bigger by printing more money and then tax more? That didn't work did it!

One sire? You overlook the middle distance stayer sires that dominate the pedigree. Savabeel?! Pins - Australian Guineas winner over 2000m. @holy ravioli we've found something else you are not good at horse pedigrees.

Everest Turns Milers into Sprinters Tara Madgwick - Tuesday October 17 First run in 2017, the $20million The Everest has evolved into the race most trainers and owners want to win and as a result the quality and profile of the horses now aimed at this race is entirely different to how it started as pedigree shows the first three home this year are in fact milers, so where does that leave the one dimensional sprinters? Joe Pride is on record as saying how keen he is to try Think About It over longer trips and after the son of So You Think won the Stradbroke at 1400m he would have been aiming up at an entirely different preparation this spring had it not been for The Everest. Advertisement Runner-up I Wish I Win is a typical son of Savabeel to look at and won the Group I ATC Golden Eagle at 1500m last spring. He probably would have given Fangirl a run for her money in the Group I ATC King Charles Stakes (1600m), but that race was worth $5million as opposed to The Everest at $20million and he got $2.9million for his second placing while Fangirl got $3million for her win. Third placed Private Eye was also second last year and the son of Al Maher first rose to fame winning the Group II Queensland Guineas and Group I ATC Epsom Handicap at 1600m, before he reverted to sprinting to take advantage of the big purses on offer and has now got $8.8million in the bank for his connections. For trainers that can turn a miler into a sprinter, the positives are obvious with huge prizemoney on offer and a wealth of speedy squibs to set the pace allowing for the strong finisher to come over the top. A rocket ship sprinter like a Nature Strip at his top would leave the newly created miler sprinters in the dust, but there are precious few of them. Another thought to ponder, once upon a time in a world with no Everest all three of these Everest placed horses this year probably would have been on a Cox Plate trail as that was the race to win for the best horse in the country. Even if you weren’t a true 2000m horse, you’d work down the elite WFA path and have a crack because you wanted that chance at being the best of the best, sadly for the Cox Plate it’s going to be lessened with the passing of time by the absence of these quality milers being re-routed to sprinting.

Strong Political Support For Thoroughbred Industry Media Release - Tuesday October 17 Federal politicians have pledged bipartisan support for the thoroughbred industry, emphasising its importance to the economy and the integral part it plays in the social fabric of rural, regional and metropolitan Australia. More than 40 MPs and Senators from across the political divide gathered with industry leaders at Parliament House in Canberra on Monday evening for an event hosted by Thoroughbred Breeders Australia (TBA) and the Parliamentary Friends of Primary Producers, which was staged for the first time since the pandemic. Co-convenors of the Parliamentary Friends of Primary Producers, Nola Marino MP (left) and Meryl Swanson MP (right), pictured with champion trainer Peter Moody (centre). Agriculture Minister Murray Watt reaffirmed the government’s support of the thoroughbred industry and its assistance with issues such as biosecurity, horse traceability and equine welfare initiatives. “It is a really important opportunity for us all to celebrate this important industry and I guess I just want to convey to you the support from the Albanese government for your industry,” Mr Watt said. Advertisement “There’s a lot of collaboration going on between our government here and the industry and I look forward to continuing to do that in the future.” Nationals Leader David Littleproud backed up Mr Watt’s bipartisan approach to the thoroughbred industry. “To each and every one of you, please don’t underestimate the role and the significance that you play in regional and rural Australia, and that you play for this nation,” Mr Littleproud said. “The thoroughbred industry is so important from the city to the bush. It plays not just a financial one and an economic one in jobs, but it’s our outlet, an outlet for so many Australians to come together.” The cross-party event was run by co-convenors, Western Australian Liberal MP Nola Marino and NSW Labor MP Meryl Swanson, and held in the private courtyard of Speaker Milton Dick. TBA chief executive Tom Reilly conducted a range of one-on-one meetings with officials and politicians prior to the cross-party event discussing issues such as the government’s impending wagering reforms. “Events like this are so important for the thoroughbred industry. In breeding and racing we have lots of touch points with the federal government and these can throw up some complex issues to deal with,” Reilly said. “To have the people who make decisions on policy in the room and listening and engaging with people from breeding and racing is a great opportunity. I was delighted with the turn-out of over 40 politicians including senior members of the government and opposition.” Ms Marino, a long-time thoroughbred breeder, said that it was imperative that the industry remains a thriving one. “I know this industry employs thousands, but it is critical to underpinning many rural and regional economies as well and the employment opportunities that go with that,” Ms Marino said. Ms Swanson urged thoroughbred leaders to continue to advocate for the industry. “Keep doing what you’re doing, keep representing the industry as brilliantly as you do and onward and upward for thoroughbred breeding and racing in Australia,” she said. The thoroughbred industry creates more than 80,000 jobs while the breeding sector alone is responsible for 11,500 employees, nearly all of which are in regional Australia. Australia also has more than 100,000 racehorse owners, more than Europe and America combined, underlining the public’s engagement with the sport. Thoroughbred Breeders Australia CEO Tom Reilly and Minister for the NDIS and Government Services Bill Shorten. Minister for Trade and Tourism Don Farrell, who was a key figure in helping negotiate the reintroduction of thoroughbred exports to China, also attended the evening as did his cabinet colleague Bill Shorten, whose electorate of Maribyrnong is where Melbourne racecourses Moonee Valley and Flemington are located. Member for Riverina Michael McCormack, the former Deputy Prime Minister and passionate racing person, also attended as did former National Party leader Barnaby Joyce, liaising with industry figures including champion trainer Peter Moody, auction house representatives from Magic Millions and Inglis as well as a range of breeders from across the country. Widden Stud principal Antony Thompson, who has thoroughbred breeding farms in the Hunter Valley in NSW and near Romsey in Victoria, said: “It’s so important that the thoroughbred industry is getting its voice heard in Canberra and I’m grateful that TBA has taken the lead in this space. “There was a lot of support for breeding and racing among those that attended and it’s crucial we now work with those politicians to deal with the challenges the industry faces.”

Rotorua is targeted to go.