Chief Stipe

Or it blinked.

The approach by the RIB and GRNZ regarding charges prior to the last three was 100% acceptable?

Shouldn't that be a NZTR or HRNZ job if it is necessary? Excuse me for thinking the RIB is out of control.

Not necessarily but I guess that's why the RIB are paying out big dollars and we get these long winded legal judgements. I doubt Gendall KC is doing it as a hobby. Where's @Thomass? He touted this new setup would cut costs and stop all this BS and we'd have more integrity!!!

Was the container on the track or did you photo shop it in? If the latter then you would have to make sure that the pixel dimensions were the same for both pictures and you would have to compensate for the distance from the camera (adjusted as well for magnification) to the area you were measuring and then triangulate from fixed points. What's the average length of a dog? Actually it may be easier for you to get out of your bunker and go down to the track with a tape measure. I'm just pointing out that your analysis is flawed and that data is inaccurate and missing.

Could be a case of Racing Victoria making NZTR the scapgoat. How could you honestly compare metro wins in NZ with those in Victoria?

Has anyone noticed that the Judgements are reading more and more like one delivered from the Supreme Court? What remuneration is Gendall KC on? I hope he isn't paid by word or precedent citation! Actually every charged driver should plead not guilty and appeal. The RIB will grind to a halt and go bust.

Chilcott isn't the most popular driver amongst the driver ranks. FFS racing isn't tiddly winks. No harm or injury was caused and I'm sure Chilcott's feelings weren't hurt. 27. “Improper” Driving will take all manners of different forms. They may range from very serious, high end, to less egregious. Penalties accordingly will vary widely depending upon the severity of the behaviour. This was not at the high end, yet still serious as being a deliberate act of retribution towards another Driver. The Adjudicative Committee assesses this at least of midrange improper. It adopted a starting point of 8 days suspension as per the Penalty Guide. But the Adjudicative Committee does not consider the level of prohibited behaviour reaches the level of RIB v Cox – involving punching another horse. 28. From the starting point, there are no relevant aggravating factors. Presenting a defence, which fails, is not an aggravating factor. It is simply unable to be considered as mitigating, there being no remorse or contrition as none existed. The Adjudicative Committee takes into account as mitigation, Mr Mangos’ long history (over 14,000 drives and 1500 winners) with a good record (apart from whip related offences). It affords him a discount of 25% to reflect this. The Adjudicative Committee is mindful of the fact that what occurred and what he did resulted from a momentary “loss of blood” and good sense when upset.

That assumes standard distances between the uprights!!! Have you checked if the dogs hitting the fence at Auckland were pushed by other dogs or if they are repeat offenders?

Correct and judicial decisions should be based on the rules not assumed minority perceptions. RIB are not the moral police of the industry.

Stewards' Report - Wiremu Pinn Racing Victoria Staff@RacingVictoria 13 Jun, 2023 O ,( Racing Victoria (RV) Stewards have advised New Zealand apprentice jockey Wiremu Pinn that his metropolitan claim has been reduced from 3kg to 2kg prior to the commencement of tomorrow’s midweek metropolitan meeting at Ladbrokes Park. Stewards today conducted an audit of Pinn’s New Zealand wins following receipt of contrasting information regarding those that are relevant to the calculation of his claim. It has been determined on the information available that the number of New Zealand wins currently attributed to Pinn’s metropolitan claim is incorrect. Initial enquiries from the Stewards indicate that a miscommunication between Racing Victoria and New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing may be central to the matter. Stewards will open a formal inquiry to determine the circumstances and consider the impact on any races in which Pinn has ridden in whilst in Victoria. Stewards have tonight advised the stables that have engaged Pinn at Ladbrokes Park that they are permitted to make application tomorrow for a replacement rider or to scratch their horse should they not wish to retain Pinn’s services with a 2kg claim only.

You seeing shadows now?

The service fee is only a small part of the overall cost.

Zed and Vance Hanover are two completely different scenarios. That said it only worked for both horses because they produced the goods. It took Zed a lot longer than Vance Hanover and if Zed hadn't been an upgrader then he would still be serving Clydsdales down in a South Island high country station. He spent 2 years out of the Thoroughbred action. I think it was Surprized and a couple of other tough horses that got him back. I'm not sure if the $500 fee was before or after his trip to the high country. As it is he has only sired two Grp1 winners. Now if your theory works why didn't it work for the Nakhle's stallion EGO which stood for free?

We all know all you are and I'll give you one thing you haven't hidden. I think though you would be better to take another approach that requires formal responses.

I suggest you formally send your analysis and suggestions to the GRNZ Management and Board. They are obliged to respond. They don't have to respond to posts on BOAY. However you could post an open letter on BOAY and see what happens.

Down to 2kg's now. Pinn's claim reduced | RACING.COM www.racing.com A fifth Australian metropolitan win for Wiremu Pinn at Mornington on Monday will see his claim reduced to two-kilograms after the Anthony and Sam Freedman-trained Greyt Mumma made it three wins from five starts. Pinn's five city wins have come from an incredible 26 metro rides in Australia, and the New Zealand expat is quickly establishing himself as one of the state’s in form jockeys. However, celebrations were restrained after his impressive treble at Sandown last Saturday. “I just had a quiet night with my girlfriend and a good mate of mine from New Zealand,” he said. “We just went out for dinner, and I went home to bed. “I just can’t thank everyone enough for their support. "You can’t win on slow horses so thank you everyone who’s putting me on." WATCH: Greyt Mumma wins at Mornington Pinn rode Greyt Mumma to finish fourth at Sandown last start. “I didn’t think the owners would have me on after my last ride on her,” he joked. “That horse just showed real positive intention… I decided to take a sit, it’s probably worked out better for her. “Once she saw that horse in front of her, it's just given her something to chase today, she’s really hit the line strong.” The $1.85 favourite took a comfortable trail off a solid speed, before launching at the turn to put her opponents away with ease. Freedman Racing Manager Brad Taylor was delighted to pick up a metropolitan victory for breeder Rob Love, and was full of praise for Pinn’s cool steer. “It was our intention to lead, but he (Pinn) summed things up really well when that thing went flying around the outside,” he said. “We tried at Sandown the other day and just ran into a good race… back to 64 grade, obviously the three-kilo claim for Wiremu helped a lot. “We’re very lucky to be getting that three-kilo claim, I think it’s gone now!”

Dumb plans all round. Why didn't/don't they keep Waimate and Timaru going while they sold off Riccarton, Rangiora and Ashburton and built a greenfields state of the art Racing Centre somewhere near Christchurch.

Ok it was created under the Waimate Racecourse Reserve Act 1881. The Dept of Conservation appointed Trustees in 2000. https://gazette.govt.nz/notice/id/2000-go4378 The original Act was repealed in 2003 and it probably came under the control of the Reserves Act. Definitely no money coming to racing after 140yrs of use.

Ok if it is a Racecourse reserve then it will probably be owned by a Trust. No doubt Ngai Tahu will have first dibs on it. Good luck NZTR getting any of that capital!

Doesn't he have a full book?

Yes the Waimate Racecourse is freehold. It wasn't owned by the Racing Club though. It's owned by a separate entity called Waimate Racecourse. Could be a Trust.

There are other ways of doing that especially when you have no control over those things that are having the biggest impact.

Agree 100%. Perhaps some aggressive marketing would help. For example how much is the gross yield of LOTTO?