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I don't believe I was being disrepectful. I can't see how this "Innovative Race" with special conditions for both Trainers and Horses with $350,000 is going to help anyone let alone provide a betting product that will cover the costs of it. As there are special conditions and the race entry is not on the merits of trainers and horses then it can only but promote mediocrity. As I said and I will repeat for your benefit @Tesio wouldn't your battling trainer "working their butts off" prefer 100 more maiden races that paid $3k more in stakes? Hell they might then even get close to paying their costs for the season and owners might consider hanging in a bit longer if their training costs are covered. As if there wasn't enough proof/evidence from previous folly's that these special races and increased stakes at the high end do nothing for the industry. The rich get richer and we see less and less horses in training let alone being bred. Isn't about time we did something different? Perhaps try the opposite instead of the same old same old?

Two of those trainers are not in the top 10 because their OZ stakes are not recorded.

Didn't you look at the list? Hardly "smaller stable trainers". The cut off is $450k at year end. Which may not be entirely comparable to the 4 months being measures but I'd say close. As for being negative I'd be a lot more positive if they directed stakes money at the lower grades first.

I think you are reading it right. I don't think any of this has been thought out that well. The Law of Unintended Consequences. Has NZTR released their marketing budget yet? Or is everything in terms of promotion migrating back to the TAB (Entain)?

So Prizemoney won between 1 August and 30 November.

These are the next 20 not in the top 10 as of today - I realise it isn't as per the conditions. I can't see the value of this race at all. Darryn & Briar Weatherley 16 11 10 $875,815 102 5 6.38 Robbie Patterson 47 28 26 $872,695 188 0 4 Lance Noble 19 10 8 $848,355 94 4 4.95 Michael & Matthew Pitman 31 34 52 $833,080 386 0 12.45 Peter & Dawn Williams 19 12 12 $745,890 120 1 6.32 Graham Richardson & Rogan Norvall 10 8 24 $726,040 139 4 13.9 Andrew Carston 31 37 41 $712,230 448 0 14.45 Kelvin Tyler & Aimee Tyler 23 22 28 $652,710 257 2 11.17 Ben Foote 17 19 9 $648,730 122 3 7.18 Michael Moroney & Pam Gerard 11 21 24 $619,540 249 0 22.64 John & Karen Parsons 26 20 22 $609,165 231 0 8.88 Lance Robinson 23 22 21 $583,580 175 1 7.61 John Bary 13 17 14 $539,615 147 1 11.31 Shane Kennedy & Anna Furlong 17 26 17 $537,830 126 2 7.41 Shaune Ritchie & Colm Murray 27 9 19 $524,590 168 1 6.22 Roydon Bergerson 23 14 25 $514,335 157 1 6.83 Ken Rae & Krystal Williams 22 9 15 $507,135 155 1 7.05 Brian & Shane Anderton 18 20 8 $498,845 182 0 10.11 Terri Rae 24 23 9 $473,600 124 1 5.17 Johno Benner & Hollie Wynyard 19 15 7 $458,510 97 1 5.11

You entirely missed the point. Put a paper together and formally send it to GRNZ. They have no excuses then. Yes GRNZ monitor BOAY but unless you formally and constructively notify them of your concerns directly then you may as well bark at the moon with you adopted GAP dogs.

Depends how they measure "not top ten". Number of wins? Number of Grp and Listed wins? Stakes won? Strike rate? Will it be based on the current season to date? Or the last 12 months? A waste of money especially when there will be associated marketing costs and other overhead expenses on top of the Stakes funding. Those costs are paid out of the consolidated allocation. If you are going to spread the Stakes love then why not add another $3k to 100+ lower grade races. Cut the $1m 4yr old race to $350k and there is another $3k for 200 races.

Why don't you get off your high horse (dog?) and put the bone down. Put a cohesive comprehensive paper together and send it to GRNZ. Shouldn't be too hard as you seem to have the basis for it in the number of posts you have made. Send it to GRNZ and express your willingness to meet with GRNZ at THEIR convenience - not yours as you seem to be not short of time. Post the paper on BOAY and update us on the responses. Put the ball in their court formally. They are not going to respond on BOAY. I'll even promote it and follow up with questions to GRNZ.

As always you keep banging on about the negative however - you did express an opinion - Again to quote from the The Adjudicative Committee accepts that his actions, were not nefarious, nor had he had any dishonest motive, and he wrongly believed them to be permissible.

So another $250m in turnover minimum to sustain the stakes and more if they want to keep up with inflation. Let alone fund the desperately needed upgrades to tracks. That's just Thoroughbred turnover - what increase in funding are HRNZ and GRNZ getting?

Since I first owned a horse I've seen 4 or more of these "turning point" "landmark" events. So far they have all ended up the same. All promise and no cigar. I don't feel confident about this one either - the numbers just don't add up. When the likes of JJ Flash and Scooby Do and the usual industry suspects are yelling from the rooftops how great it is.......well it only adds weight to the thoughts that this is yet another false dawn. Just like MacKenzie and his restructure the fundamental numbers don't add up. What's more we are making that worse by spending the increase by funding the wrong end - the top rather than the bottom where the top is fed from. The top stables and the elite racing clubs will benefit in the short term but I doubt it is sustainable.

So to fund that extra $20m there will need to be an increase in turnover of over $100m?

Just for balance: The Adjudicative Committee accepts that his actions, were not nefarious, nor had he had any dishonest motive, and he wrongly believed them to be permissible.

Team C. Don't recognise any of the horses.

New Innovation Race: $350k Ellerslie not top 10 trainers $350,000 How is that inspirational? Let's reward mediocrity.

Details in full. TAB NZ Entain Strategic Funding Document_FINAL.pdf

Why the hell do we need a $1m race fullstop? That's 5% of the increase gone on one race!!!!! Remember what happened to Winston's million dollar races. Deja vu.

Yep the Rich get Richer.

Premier Maidens which will stay at $30,000. Group 1's had a significant boost increasing by a $100k to $400,000. Saturday meetings - Open Handicaps have increased from $40,000 - $50,000 and other benchmark races will increase from $30,000 - $40,000. Maiden races also get a significant increase too. Midweek racing racing for a minimum of $17,000 Open Handicaps $15,000 increased to $25,000. All 19 twilight meetings will have minimum stakes of $25,000 (increase of $11,000). We also see the introduction of "Innovation Races", which include a 4YO Karaka Million race worth $1,000,000. A South Island race worth $350,000 with "golden ticket" options. A special conditions Maiden race for Te Rapa worth $350,000. $350,000 for a 2100m race at Trentham for 1 win horses as of 31 July and the popular Southern Mile increases to $200,000. Total Stake $350,000 1st $175,000 2nd $59,500 3rd $28,000 4th $15,750 5th $8,750 6-14 $7,000

Any trainers had input into these "innovation races"?

I was being facetious although the stakes do align coincendentally with the new stakes structure. But all the same - the synthetic track races must be returning a good a yield. What would be the required turnover for $25k in stakes assuming no sponsorship?

What about the Maidens? Is this a case of the rich get richer? Are they scrapping the ludicrous tiered stakes system?

Quick off the mark! MEETING NEWS Stake Increases Cambridge JC 28 June The Cambridge JC have increased their stakes for the meeting on Wednesday 28 June. The R75 1550m will be run for $25k and all other races will be run for $15k

New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing (NZTR) has announced a $20.3 million stakes increase for the 2023-24 racing season. NZTR Board and management believe that increasing prizemoney provides all stakeholders with the confidence to invest and grow New Zealand’s racing industry. “At the top of this priority list is the enhancement to stakes funding, increasing by $20.3 million and taking our total stakes funding to $90.8 million for next season,” NZTR chairman Cameron George said. “This is a fantastic opportunity for our industry and the recent approval of the TAB NZ Entain strategic partnership has allowed NZTR to plan with certainty for the next five years and prioritise areas of the business to promote growth.” NZTR chief executive Bruce Sharrock said the increase in funding will benefit the entire thoroughbred industry. “We are pleased to see stakes funding spread across all categories and regions of racing,” he said. “NZTR has also introduced eight new innovation races, as well as further funding to the very successful Southern Mile. “We have also outlined key strategic priorities to be addressed over the next 12 to 36 months that will continue to improve all facets of our industry, which is paramount to improving wagering growth. “NZTR has also provided commentary on the recent TAB NZ Entain strategic partnering arrangement, with an explanation of what it means to our industry, as well as answering a number of frequently asked questions surrounding the agreement. “Our entire industry can all be very excited for what the future holds off the back of this announcement. We see this as our opportunity to lay the platform of improved professionalism and standards across the industry, leaving a legacy for generations to come.”