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Entain trying to offset their liability on I Wish I Win? Still the Yulong slot available.

Although the growth rate in horses varies somewhat by breed, most horses do not reach full physical maturity until around six years of age, with larger breeds like draft horses still growing until eight years of age. A two-year-old horse is an adolescent; it has reached approximately 97% of its mature height by 22 months but critically, its bones will not fully fuse for another four years.

Is this article more relevant? From Kentucky Equine Research. Maximum Bone Mineralisation doesn't occur until age 6. https://ker.com/equinews/principles-of-bone-development-in-horses1/

Irrelevant. The question is when does the thoroughbred stop growing?

Why would it be a Te Akau charade? The whole The Everest concept is a marketing charade! Don't you understand that? Te Akau haven't been promoting Imperatriz's involvement in the Everest. Every sponsor, NSW Racing, Journalist, Bookie and fans such as yourself have been promoting the "charade!!!! Te Akau's Racing Manager and Trainer have been consistent with their messaging around Imperatriz taking a slot in the race. You and others with a vested interest have continued with the intrigue. I'm not even sure you understand how the concept of The Everest works. Let's make is simple for you to understand: If Imperatriz was to secure a slot one of the following would have had to happen: Te Akau had paid $2.1 million to acquire a slot (assuming one was available). That's the up front cost at $700k per year. TA then decided that Imperatriz was their best option for the race and entered; Te Akau leased a slot for this year's race from an existing slot holder - e.g. presumably the EntainNZ approach where they leased from Inglis. I would imagine the cost would be greater than $700k as Inglis like any slot holder would be keen to get a return on their investment and leasing the slot (depending on agreed T's and C's) would mean no return if the horse won; An existing slot holder negotiated with Te Akau to race in their slot e.g. Coolmore or Yulong. Now that would involve a negotiation over how the stakes were shared - again a business decision would be made and the slot holder would be expecting a return that mitigates their risk. They have to run first or second in one of the three years to get a return. So I imagine the share taken by the slot holder would be $1m minimum. The share could be a fixed amount or a percentage; Further to 3 above the deal may have been sweetened in various ways - Coolmore could have offered lifetime stallion services for Imperatriz; Yulong could have offered to buy Imperatriz prior to the race. Plus any number of variations of the above. At the end of the day Te Akau have obviously done what they feel is right for the horse at this stage of her career. Next season could well be her last and if her form continues I imagine they may entertain running in The Everest. However if she wins the Manikato that will give her 3 OZ Group 1 wins and 7 in total. I would say her residual value is already high up on the following list and in the $4m mark. Her dam sold for AUD$1.8m at the Inglis Sale in May this year.

Beaten up by a wet feather! In your dreams. If you are going to quote me at least do it right - I said trainers - plural. As for your facts, they are generally prejudices and fiction based on ideology!

It was the first one I could find. Why do they have to get taller? I was told they continue to muscle up and strengthen.

Get WHAT?!

Not what I was told by my trainers. https://yourhorsefarm.com/when-do-horses-stop-growing/#:~:text=Quarter Horses and Thoroughbreds tend,that help you with both.

Results, results, results! Of course in your socialist world RESULTS don't matter!

One post you say that it's all about promoting the TA brand by not being in it and now you're saying the opposite.

Oh and Imperatriz racing in The Everest wouldn't promote the brand?

That is absolute BULLSHIT. Do you know the one reason why Te Akau are so successful?

Which is now being bolstered by Entain. As for NZTR doesn't it come our of their marketing budget? You know "promotion to the general public"?

Who are the "general public"? Are you saying they don't have a social conscience? Are you saying they don't think about what they're being told about a race?

Imperatriz isn't a big mare. 16 hands just! - standing on a stone. Thoroughbreds keep growing until they're 6 yrs old. No horse has won more Group 1s in the world this year than Imperatriz. So aim for some more black type doing what's right for the horse and bank that residual value. 12 months from here if she comes up better than this year......why not round off her career with The Everest?

Sadly you don't accept what is written.....well before now. Now you are a self-proclaimed expert on most things answer this: If you owned an available slot what would you offer Te Akau to have Imperatriz as your runner?

Thanks for posting that @KimButt

I think you'll find better value punting elsewhere. Everyone talks about Racing's "social license" does The Everest tick any of the boxes?

In recent times in NZ it would be TABNZ profits and we would have all complained. At the end of the day the TAB (OZ and NZ) money comes from one source - the punter. The Everest is no different to the Karaka Millions. Actually probably worse.

Imperatriz won't be starting in The Everest. Maybe next year.......

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How much?

Agree @nod Meanwhile marketing NZ Racing is left to the 3 codes who must fund it out of their allocations.

My point is that this has been done year on year with the Melbourne Cup. The promotion of The Everest is no different i.e. it isn't anything new.