Chief Stipe

Absolute BULLSHIT. Don't you read race sectionals? Armarelinha had the momentum from the 800m running the fastest 200m sectionals of the race bar the LAST 200m! Yeah? And the Professor/Scientist you quote writes a research paper saying it makes no DIFFERENCE! Where is the direct quote that I said that? You are crossing the line misquoting. You screen shot a picture of a horse whose identity we have no idea of and assert that Bosson did it.

According to the trainer of the winner she still had improvement. Will depend on the state of the track. A Trentham bog would find them out. A good track would suit the Sunline Vase winner.

Heathcote’s ‘F-bomb’ spray fine quashed but fight goes on Trainer Robert Heathcote. Pic: AAP. Article Author Ben Dorries1:54PM07 March 2021 1 Comments Rob Heathcote’s penalty for a misconduct charge has been downgraded from a fine to a reprimand but that hasn’t altered his determination to appeal the decision. The Courier-Mail revealed last month the multiple Group 1 winning Brisbane trainer was fined $500, half of which was suspended, after stewards found him guilty of a charge which falls under the category of conduct detrimental to the interests of racing. Heathcote did not deny saying “f--- you’ to Mark Du Plessis in a frustrated debrief at Eagle Farm when the trainer believed Du Plessis did not follow instructions to lead when Stuttering finished third as the $3.40 second favourite in a race on February 6. But Heathcote was adamant no one else on course heard his remarks and it was not a personal attack on the jockey, which the trainer taped on his phone and sent to Stuttering’s owners and was subsequently leaked on social media. At the time Heathcote, an 11-time Group 1 winner, vowed to fight the guilty finding and the penalty and said his remarks were a private post-race conversation and on principle believed he had broken no rules. The internal review into the Queensland stewards decision has now been completed with the review finding: “Original decision of charge confirmed, penalty amended – reprimand.” Despite having the fine quashed, Heathcote has indicated he still plans to take the matter further to QCAT as a matter of principle as the guilty finding has remained and he insists he is not guilty of anything. Brisbane stewards only became aware of the matter when a 49-second audio clip of the exchange was circulated on social media.

No wonder your tips are crap. Are you saying Grylls should have started whipping 300m out or conserved as much as he could to fend off any late challenges? As for your "picking Bosson will retire" some time well that is about as certain as the sun will come up tomorrow. As for the momentum - Armarelinha ran the fastest last 800m, 600m, 400m and was faster than Needle and Thread over the last 200m. That's with Armarelinha covering a heap more ground as well! Um....when did Opie apply the whip first? Was it the 800m? Yeah na!

What ARE they expecting? Would be great to hear your EXPERT opinion.

Irrelevant - the rules are the rules and the penalties are the same for everyone. I wouldn't put a Jockey up on any horse I owned in major race who wasn't willing to play the grey area if required. The top liners make value judgements based on what they have underneath them. If Bosson didn't think the horse had more to give he wouldn't have gone into that grey area of what is "excessive".

So 22, 21, 20, 18? Or the 15 in the last 100m which is allowed? Made no difference to the result. Needle and Thread covered heaps less ground and over the last 100m was hit as much. No it is playing to the rules and getting the most out of your horse to WIN! Winning is the objective. I will say that categorically NO horse was disadvantaged and they ALL performed to their capability on the day given track conditions and runs in the race. The winner had the toughest run and still won!

As per the penalty guidelines with regard to minimums.

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As for cheating....yep the greatest rugby player of all time - Richie McCaw was NEVER EVER offside.

Can you post a reference to the rules that says this?

Of course no one has mentioned the irony out the same race - the Sunline Vase. Lisa Allpress got a warning of "her obligation to ride her mounts out fully to the end of the race when circumstances permit her to do so." If she had done that would that be called "thrashing"? She rode Spine Tingle which finished 6.8 lengths from the winner in 7th place!

So you backed Needle and Thread? You are saying Bosson cheated to win because the Stipes said so. Yet any unbiased person be they a racing enthusiast or not would look at that head on shot and say they couldn't see any difference between both Jockey's ride over the last 150m. Define "thrashing"? Define "excessive"? Excessive is what is in the rule book but what does it mean? In my opinion "thrashing" is when a poor Jockey whips the shyte out of a horse that has given everything it has. Everyone who has followed Bosson's career knows he isn't one of those types of Jockey's. We wait for your definitions.

Freda you are the one that used Lester Piggott as an example! His last ride was 26 years ago! At the age of 60! Piggott is exactly the same as all the top Jockey's. An incredible feel for a horse and knowing when it is giving its best. A fierce competitor who crossed the rule line on many occasions to WIN!

Isn't the use of the term "thrashing" rather an emotive one? Such terms only serve to assist the small minority of anti-racing folk. No it is a step in the wrong direction. It is a step down the slippery slope to oblivion. It is naive to think that making token gestures regarding whip rules will alter the anti-racing lobby groups agenda. Face up to the fact that they want NO RACING at all!

Are you saying Piggott never ever got pinged for anything? Piggott had frequent suspensions for careless riding. He had a reputation for being one of the most fiercely competitive riders ever. Even "borrowed" a whip off another rider during a race after he had dropped his. Not to forget the time he whipped another rider during a race! Hell all the top riders in OZ are in and out of suspension on a frequent basis. We only have a couple of Jockey's currently riding in NZ that are up to the OZ standard.

Here is the head-on from yesterday's Sunline Vase. Is there really that much difference between Gryll's ride and Bosson's? 1529322547_AKLD-sunlinevase.mp4

Suggest you review Lester's ride on The Minstrel in the King George and QE Cup 1977.

Now after reviewing the race video - seems Needle and Thread was whipped just as much inside the 100m. So the "unwritten rule" is if you hit too many times (what's too many?) before the 100m it is deemed excessive. Inside 100m it is all on it seems. Most of the strikes with the whip were within the last 150m and if you look at the front on there wasn't much difference between Grylls and Bosson in their whipping efforts over that last part. So to say that Bosson got an unfair advantage that made a difference is crap.

I'm sure you are all across the whip "rules". But you must admit they are subjective in their interpretation. Can one of the anti-whip experts point me in the direction in the rules where it defines the prior to the 100m "rule" or how many hits are "excessive"? As for the penalty that was imposed in this latest example. The penalty was as per the guidelines published 9 December 2020.

Tesio it was Horace that chose the current example for debate and ignored many other examples available.

Explain what you mean by this statement.

Would you like me to post some more videos of Lester's "whip" rides? It is easy to fall into believing a myth when the evidence is different. I sure likes the way Lester got that really long swing in his whip action. He applies the contact nearly perpendicular getting maximum applied force. Very efficient as you need less hits to presumably get the same result.

Bollocks quite often he beat the crap out of them and would have been pinged under today's rules. Watch this one - does the commentator say and "here's Royal Academy on the outside with Lester Piggott flailing away"! He sure new how to leverage a damn good whack that makes Opie look soft.

Well you certainly have more chance of one than the other.