Chief Stipe

You are the only one that has this problem. What does that tell you?

Is there anything else you want to take an alarmist viewpoint of and add fuel to the animal activists ignorant rants? It has nothing to do with advertising. I doubt you would find anyone who knew every brand least of all anyone outside of the stud industry.

But they still bleed and there was not comparative analysis with those given Lasix. No doubt there are other reasons why Hong Kong horses have longer careers for example there is ample evidence that the synthetic tracks in USA are proving detrimental to horse longevity. The sample that the data was collected from were ALL New Zealand geldings and the assumption was made that that subset of the global horse population was representative of the whole. It can't possibly be when one considers the differences in the rearing of young horses here compared to the rest of the world. You keep saying this but where is the evidence to prove that WINX was on Lasix? Your inference that it has something to do with Lasix is drawing a long bow. But I guess we couldn't expect anything less from a conspiracist. I thought with your often self promoted experience working on stud farms that you would know that getting a racehorse in foal soon after finishing her race career isn't always easy. Why would it be? The horses spend most of their time in a controlled environment. Keep on Googling you might find something that supports your argument.

Then why the F do you take EVERY topic off topic! I close your threads when they go way over the top, get off topic or are just plain weird. You sort it! As for Precedence you had two topics with the same title - suggest you learn when replying to your own posts that you do it within one topic not start another one exactly the same. As for ZERO fun that is hypocrisy on your part when 99% of your posts are negative viewpoints on animal welfare and or are personal attacks.

Thanks for the article Thomaas but I fail to see how it actually supports your argument. It raises more questions than answers and the most important question of whether Lasix alleviates EIPH is not addressed. Keep cherry picking Google for something that actually supports you argument. BTW you never answered my question about what the German racing jurisdiction does with horses that bleed. The answer is they allow them to continue to race. Doesn't say much for their animal welfare and race safety.

I can't say I find many of your posts "entertaining" or "enjoyable". They are mostly crap. As for YOU supporting the Thoroughbred industry all your posts do is add fuel to the animal welfare critics who seem to have have much knowledge and understanding of the industry as you do. ZERO!!

I'm getting sick of this crap.

Sorry to see you go Kopia.

Rule Number(s): 638(3)(b)(ii)Following the running of race 2, Franklin Long Roofing 1600, an Information was filed pursuant to Rule 638 (3)(b)(ii). The Informant, Mr Williamson, alleged that Mr Bosson used his whip excessively prior to the 100 metres when riding MAGNUM. Mr Bosson said that he understood the Rule and confirmed he ... (Feed generated with FetchRSS)View the full article

Rule Number(s): 638(1)(d)Following the running of Race 5, an Information was lodged by Mr Goodwin alleging a breach of Rule 638 (1) (d) in that C O’Beirne allowed her mount to shift in near the 350m contacting and checking SAGUNTO. Ms O’Beirne confirmed her understanding of the charge and said that she denied the breach. The ... (Feed generated with FetchRSS)View the full article

Rule Number(s): 636(1)(d)Following the running of race 3, an Information was filed pursuant to Rule 636(1)(d). The Informant, Mr Williamson, alleged that Mr Bosson failed to ride COOL AZA BEEL out to the end of the race when there was a reasonable chance of finishing in third position. Mr Bosson said that he understood the Rule ... (Feed generated with FetchRSS)View the full article

No One is interested in this topic except Thomaas. BOAY does not endorse self flagellation.

You're on thin ice Downes. I guess you'd know all about lunatics.

She'll run kinder without any head gear.

Keep digging for shyte. I've come to the conclusion you have no positive interest in promoting racing.

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That are many vets that are respected in their field of equine medicine that have publicly stated that Lasix isn't performance enhancing. As for the head vet of Victorian Racing after he and his associates disputed the opposing opinion from the world's leading equine orthopaedician of the their reasons for scratching two horses from the Melbourne Cup nominations I start to doubt his ability. Also trotting up on raceday a stallion in front of fillies and mares 45 minutes before it races doesn't seem to be a sound animal management practice when the said horse could have been tested much earlier in the day. It's not a ridiculous example but your response highlights your lack of knowledge and plain ignorance on the subject. Lasix CANNOT be administered 4 hours before a race in OZ or NZ!! The full rehydration after a Lasix dose can take up to 72 hours primarily because the horse doesn't feel the need to drink. Again you could replicate this effect by not providing water for the 24 hours before a horse races presumably to simulate the supposed performance enhancement of being 15kg's lighter. Indeed I'm aware that some trainers do this in a process called "drawing."

In OZ and NZ it isn't used in racing but allowed in TRAINING. If you introduce "drug free training" then you will impact the health and welfare of ALL thoroughbreds in training. This assumption has been disproven. It was assumed because a horse receiving Lasix urinated about 15 litres of urine in an hour that it was helping to flush detectable metabolites. Modern day testing has disproved this assumption. Again it is not used in racing in OZ and NZ only training and there is a 48 hour withholding period. I'm not aware of anyone making that statement let alone the trainer of WINX - Chris Waller. It is another piece of fiction that you have written. If that does occur it will be a sad day for the welfare of the thoroughbred race horse as there are no effective alternative treatments for the endemic condition of EIPH.

There is no evidence that it is performance enhancing and it can't be used immediately prior to a race!!!! Do you want it published if a trainer doesn't give a horse water 24 hours before a race or a training gallop?

Really? NZRB shafted The Informant and now come back with their own publication on the back of a unprofitable Best Bet.

Surely the bigger question is why didn't Te Rapa clean the boxes?

Thanks for your well written and reasoned contribution Aces.

Yep was gutted. But gutted for lots of reasons. Racing him brought to my attention what was wrong with NZ racing. In 17 starts he returned a check 15 times. 5 wins. Yet it was costing money to race him. Go figure. Only cost a raffle ticket and a $400 mare off the knackers truck to breed him. Got offered big money after his second start win but that turned to custard because the other owner didn't want to sell. Next win got another bigger offer and he went and hurt himself one day AFTER the original vet cert expired.

Tend to agree Joe. Some trainers are better at managing the endemic condition that others. I owned a good galloper who bled. I'm convinced that the dusty stable conditions contributed. Also I'm also convinced that a two night stay in the Te Rapa stables didn't help. The stalls hadn't had the sawdust changed for years and the level of dust in the air was horrendous. After he raced he started coughing. Was beaten narrowly after storming home and they broke 1:21. Waller is obviously a detail man and I'm sure he would only use Lasix on a horse that had shown vulnerability. The USA has a high incidence of breeders and it should be noted the environmental conditions that the horses are trained in must be a contributing factor.

Also the study only looked at grade 4 EIPH I.e. epistaxis which is the extreme where bleeding from both nostrils occur. Research has also shown that certain environmental conditions and training regimes can be linked to EIPH. Given that 90% of race horses experience EIPH to some degree the following statement makes sense: “When we consider that the Thoroughbred (racing) population is closed (no out-crossing to other breeds), we must remain conscious of the fact that the breed may not be able to afford the loss of a large number of horses from the gene pool because this may also result in a loss of a number of good traits as well as genes for epistaxis,” Velie said.