Doomed

I do have to agree with the original post. Would probably have run third if better ridden. I can never understand jockeys who drag horses so wide on the turn covering so much extra ground and losing all momentum.

Interdominion grand final at Addington

There are horses out there. Tiny fields at Riccarton today, small fields there again next week. If Timaru raced this weekend they could probably fill 10 good sized fields. It is just a matter of programming the right races for the right horses on the right tracks.

They often race for about $12,000 though. In the gallops they have 5 or 6 racing for $50,000. 5 horses for $40,000 today at Riccarton, numerous 6 and 7 horse fields for $40,000 and $50,000 this weekend at Awapuni. Unsustainable. It is incredible that number of halfwits, to be generous, who think that is great for the industry.

Optimism? You must be dreaming. Regular 4, 5, 6 horse fields despite $40,000 and $50,000 stakes. How on earth is that sustainable? We used to work on stakes like these being funded by turnover. Now we work on about 10% of stakes being funded by turnover. I'm quite staggered at people who think 5 horses racing for $50,000 with virtually no turnover generated is a sign that the industry is doing well.

You need to read posts more carefully chief. I said "the record of 2yo sweepstake winners in recent years has been appalling". Meaning their 3yo and older careers. Then I listed the five most recent winners, obviously skipping this years winner as it has only been a 3yo for two weeks. I don't care who trains them. But don't Te Akau train most sweepstake winners? So obviously they will be involved. I have no opinion one way of the other re Te Akau. They do a lot of good for NZ racing. Anyhow, I stated obvious facts, not opinions, so there is really no scope for debate, so I will leave it there.

You seem a bit confused chief. I indicated none of them went on to do anything on the track after their 2yo season. So you go on and list all of their 2yo wins. We all know they won races as 2yos. Still, its not a big deal. I'm sure people realise I have zero interest in sweepstakes and slots. Others love them, which is perfectly fine. We all have different tastes.

I'm pretty sure Tokyo Tycoon, On the Bubbles, Dynastic and Cool Aza Beel went on to do nothing, and now Velocious. Dynastic ended up racing at Stawell, Ararat, Avoca.

Last year's sweepstake winner did manage to win a Group 1 as well, which has been rare in recent years. In fact, the record of the 2yo sweepstake winners in recent years has been appalling. Some have ended their careers racing in the bush in Australia. You have to go back to Probabeel to find a 2yo sweepstake winner who has gone on with it. Group 1 wins are more important than listed sweepstake and slot wins.

The margins were quite close in most of the jumping races. Not the old style 20L, by 40L, by 50L.

KM shouldn't really count. It's only a listed race. It should come down to group 1 and 2 races and La Dorada slightly ahead on that count.

I thought the Avondale track played quite well for those trials. If it is just the grandstands that people don't like, perhaps bulldoze them and carry on.

Fields are ok considering what is about and the stakes. Hardly any scratchings. Crazy the track isn't used more often. 16 days until the next grass track meeting in the SI. When you consider the number of active Southland horses at the moment Oamaru should be a vital option to give them opportunities.

Any idea what the oncourse attendance was? It was probably the 2nd or 3rd biggest meeting of the year at Awapuni with a $100,000 race, so presumably the bars and restaurants did a roaring trade.

So the total income from that race to help fund the stake would have been at best $5,000? Leaving $95,000 to come from elsewhere. That is a long way from being sustainable.

Yes, a quite shocking attitude I thought. Doesn't come across as someone who has the interests of the racing industry at heart. Sounds like another two year appointment. He will be off as soon as he realises it is all a bit hard for him and people are starting to find him out.

I suppose a disappointing, but not surprising response. Despite their brevity, there was probably quite a bit of time and money went into formulating those desultory and arrogant responses. You don't come across that arrogant without trying reasonably hard at it. They could at least have come up with something along the lines of: "We treasure your valuable and well thought out input. Don't hesitate to get in touch in future if you have any more bright ideas."

Quite a strange one the whole Greyhound situation. I can only imagine that Winston figures that if they get rid of the greyhounds in NZ then all of the commission earned from NZ betting on Australian greyhounds will be distributed to the horse codes. I find it hard to believe Winston would give in to a tiny but vocal and fanatical cohort of anti dog racing people, especially since he knows their next target will be horse racing.

They can only take extra nominations if noms are left open.

Poor old Freda, walking past minding her own business and gets a blast.

I wasn't making a point. I was asking a question. I know nothing at all about the inner workings of Te Akau. It is of very little interest to me. I just had a feeling I had seen Walker and Co train horses that aren't owned by Te Akau.

Very good point. It is actually Walker and Bergeson who won the premiership, and they train for others as well as Te Akau don't they?. Isn't Fortuna a separate operation? And I'm sure I've seen them train other horses that Te Akau aren't involved in.

Some people shouldn't really be allowed out to have a bet. I think you should go and have a wee lie down.

Quite a few newish trainers coming through in the South. Now it just needs the rest of the industry to exhibit the professionalism they deserve. And make sure the structures are in place to make it a viable profession.

There is no real point debating the subject with you Gamma as you really just don't understand how the whole industry works. Your whole focus is on smaller fields meaning more money for the owners. You don't seem to understand where the money comes from. The money comes from the punters. Without them racing would come to a dead stop. Harness punters do tolerate red hot favs more so than galloping punters, but even harness punters can't get excited by 6 horse low grade fields. And incidentally 6 horse fields aren't "around 8 horse fields". Even the interdominion grand final on the weekend would have run at a massive loss. $1.20 winners don't do a lot for betting turnover.