Karrotsisback

Page 2, ALL bar 1 were on topic - and that was answering Honest J re his Hot chick he used to follow. Rangas 3 - 1 was a mock , 1 was off topic but topic had been brought up & 1 was talking about the past.

Agree with Self A best horse in field. However not at peak fitness. So think gives others a chance to win if a horse like Pembroke P gets a good run, then has a chance. A few are good stand starters too e.g. Classie B, Pembrook P & Robyns Playboy. Will it be foot down at the start to see who can get to the front? Lets fact check specially for Ludwig and Ranga. Just taking a look back from this thread off the front page only. 10 posts some obviously were pulled from another thread and ALL 10 of mine are on topic. Rangas 4 posts only 1 is. But it was actually a dig at Hunter re Nat winning.

You could start you own thread about the Sires Stakes. Lets try and keep this 1 to lead up races to the Cup and Dominion.

Hey all, Just a friendly reminder, there are 2 other threads to discuss Covid on - NZ Cup & Cup Week which has been moved to Covid-19 & racing area. Also another 1 on this main trot thread called NZ Cup & Cup Week - Will it go ahead. This thread is for Lead up races to Cup and to The Dominion 😄

Spring Cup - Bad to Bone draws inside Copy That. Could be interesting. Purdon/Phelan have 4 runners in field too.

Fields are out Race 10 - 3 y-o race 7 starters ALL Telfers runners. No doubt about it Telfers will run top 4.

Dunno maybe, speculation, Hopefully Fitzgerald gives us his facts. Earth calling Fitzgerald, come in Fitzgerald. Far you don't miss a beat there do you Galah lol. Love it 👍😃

Yeah maybe aye. You might be right. Don’t know for sure hence put the question out there to hopefully get the fact. Looked a bit like maybe initially, then changed mind soon after when challenger couldn’t take lead & even commentator states “The Naenae Express not happy to hand”. Then Fitzgerald starts to nod his head meaning no, however the challenger continues on with it. By the time they hit the post with a lap to go, they have been dualing (kamikazi driving) for far TOO long & BOTH horses are now stuffed. Both horses drop out.

Your so funny Honest J lol, Thing I find strange is the ones I know of re Fitzgerald an occasional poster on here & 1 in the North Phelan who is a starter in North, are like #ontoit in their professions, yet they make up the amateur ranks, so if we go on with the same, others then who do well or are also #ontoit in their usual professions, yet come race day in amateurs & its like they left their brain at home. Now I am 1 to give out compliments & rarely do put downs of trainers/drivers, BUT don't get it re often with these amateur races the style they persist. Just watched race replay as did not watch this race, as its been brought up & Fitzgerald whom is an occasional poster on here is the driver on the leader. Maybe he could come and explain himself on here ... ? He isn't a super regular reader just occasional. Question - why not hand lead up when she kept attacking - to take trail? Were you under instructions not to?

With the Spring Cup, Im curious to see how Bad to the Bone goes against Copy That. 2 out of 3 times they meet, Copy That had lead, while Bad to the Bone was parked. Be interesting if Bad to The Bone draws & gets away well from a stand to lead or trail & Copy That is left to do the work this time. Bad to the Bone starts fresh up tho.

9 noms for Spring Cup looks good from a variety of stables 5 so thats good. Re noms Telfers have 5 of 6 in a 3 y-o pace + 4 of 8 in fillies & mares & 4 of 14 in 2 y-o. Wallis & Hackett have 5 of 6 in a trot. Can see Galahs point re could become problematic. Guess they will send more down to South once facilities allow. Great points there Chief 👍

Tots down with Gamms here, what a gimme. Both Sundees Son & Self Assured should be off 10 metres As Green says “Dont know who it is, that makes these decisions”. Lol what a hoot he is. Check out those face expressions too. Chief btw a side eye glance to right states iv posted 21 times on this thread. Thats not right. Iv not posted on this thread that many times. Making me look like a postaholic with your editing skills lol 🤣 If this is part of trying to send Karrots to postaholic anonymous. Tip - won’t happen everything is shut atm hehe. Remember level 3. Righto back to topic

Nothing in stripes report. So what the horse came to the track in its PJs too. Forgot its race outfit. So much for transparency. A lil heads up, virus or sore leg or whateva for such a late scratching be super easy to do in report.

Wait does that mean that Self Assured will start off 10metres? And you are saying maybe Sundees Son will too ... ? Interesting, well then sorry Gamms if that is the case re SA can't see him winning. Would take a lot of team driving & don't think that will happen this year lol. Even Sundees Son off 10 metres then having to circle that BIG WHOLE FIELD, makes it a lot tougher for him. On a quick other note, just got back from supermarket - weirdness AGAIN, promise no lies or exaggeration & another person in PJs, this time PJ pants only. An Asian couple, the dude was in clothes & she was NOT walking out of supermarket. Back to this story, jumped back online here upon return & to check out last race TAB, & pfff straight before my eyes a horse Percy was gone - scratched from the last race. Prob approx 18 mins prior last race, its race. Nothing was said about it. So just curious. Sick horse ... ?

Hehe Honest J, you sure are living up to your poster name. You needed to be around when we were doing the BOAY Hot list. Maybe you were busy swanning around in Europe at the time. She could of gone on it. Noms are closed now & 2021 list finalised. Gamms daughter made BOAY HOT list too hehe. (It might seem like favouritism but its not). N Ras from All Stars made hot list too hehe.

For the past 5 years, its been All Stars as trainers, & their usual owners & drivers has been them too, with 1 exclusion Orange. For past 7 years same thing bar 1 horse 2015 Arden Rooney - Manning trainer/driver which likes like an Aussie with Aussie owners. For the reason above & that reason ONLY, would this year like too see the Cup go a different trainer/s, driver & owners for 2021. Whoever doesn’t bother me. Id be rooting for South Coast Arden being a Northern horse BUT same owners & horse is stabled at All Stars & same driver. Hence following ALL the OTHERS in lead up races that may have a chance, should they get a good trip Cup Day (including Di Caprio) 😃

Hey Gamms did they re Lous mares. Very good. Yes saw Dealers heat, got lucky with a run thru when a bunch broke up, so thru to final. Sugar Me not so lucky to get run thru. Was tired turning for home. Never mind. Checked his stats & he has only ever raced over short 1980m, that race was nearly 2700m. Hard when taking 2 corners, 3 wide plus sitting parked last lap. Not blaming driver, had to move. Just makes it so much tougher. At least they gave it a crack. While he is there they could start him again pick up some money.

Ok true was just a thought. Seems like you have to be up on the pace to have a good chance to win NZ CUP. The only way that can happen is lead, trail, 3 back or if you have mid race moved. As those that are handy in running line early get pushed back. Only certain types of horses can mid race move & still beat those on the rail line e.g. lead, trail, 3 back (esp at this level). Anyway thinking if horses like Pembroke Playboy, Robyns Playboy, Di Caprio, (Belle of Montana - at her best), Copy That are able to get a good start & the leader doesn't hand up they ALL then have a chance if in those 3 rail spots. Copy That, Bad to the Bone & Belle Of Montana hopefully we see in action in Spring Cup. Hopefully its an interesting run race this year after last year lol.

Yeah the pacing one. Just noticed there are LOTS of horses in the race or is there more. 12 isn't it or is that not right? Taking 1 out would help ease the traffic slightly. Not so bad if they didn't have sulkies but with sulkies it makes it tougher.

Another that had traffic problems that hit the line well, was Robyns Playboy. Took eyes off up the straight with the ding dong battle going on up front. But was 4 back rail, then was held up by a tiring horse. Once out it ran on nicely. Makes me wonder if the Cup has 12 starters if that is too many re traffic problems. Maybe should consider 10 + 1 wildcard = 11 in total in race + 1 emergency (so 12 including an emergency - instead of 12 in field). Over longer distance too.

Yes indeed Hunter & Dunn is quite the good driver too 👍 We could do a BOAY CUP rank list Top 6 + 1 wildcard going on results after each Road to Cup race. Based on placings last nite Pacers 1st = South Coast Arden + (wildcard Amazing Dream after impressive Oz win) 2nd Pembroke Playboy 3rd Self Assured 4th Classie B 5th Robyns Playboy 6th Kango Trotters 1st = Sundees Son + Mataderos (wildcard after impressive win) 2nd Chief of Staff 3rd Midnight Dash 4th Woodstone 5th Majestic Man 6th The Dominator

Next Road to the Cup stop is next week in North with the Spring Cup, so shall post again here leading up to that. In the meantime for those that are interested in horse racing & kiwis, a slight detour tonight from road to Cup, going off road just briefly, for 2 potential future Cup contenders. Derby Heats Bendigo American Dealer 9.30pm - NZ time Sugar Me 10.30pm - NZ time Both have visitors draws, so will have to make a move at some stage in running to try to place top 3 to make final. Good luck to connections.

Yeah Kango went nowhere turning in, thought might of run on a bit better, but did do mid race move from unruly. That was exciting race to watch with moves & no stable driving. Congrats to connections of South Coast Arden.

GREAT RACE. Great drive by Williamson. Good man I was thinking holding lead. Gave his horse his best chance. Just pipped in the last couple of strides on Pembroke Playboy. Wow great run by South Coast Arden. Fresh up too. Cups open - who wins NZ CUP 2021 New favourite?