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Were talking about PERFORMANCE here sunnytops...not ROI's.... ...although a neddy can produce outstanding ROI's when being UNLUCKY with Blinkers On...nek start wins after relly relly strange 'form analysts' ignore unlucky runs and apply Blanket rigid rules... next

Onya ATA...some real notables the last few days... AILEEN GRACE had them back on Friday and killed them at 11's...her best form last season was when she raced in them on Premier days in a higher R 75 class... ...and her course stats were impeccable...I had her (after excuses...some idiots don't bother with that) at least placing in her 7 starts there...now 3 wins... Of course the major turnaround was Cheif Sequoyah...turned a plodding R 65 1 win neddy into a Listed Stakes Winner.... You watch...the 'Statsman' will pull something out of his 'Stars' that says it ran faster in a maiden race ya gotta laugh at the ignorance of some 'punters'

Improved run with the VB's on.... Trudy was improving well along the rails and then ran into the back of the leader with no way out..always looking for longer..it's a RELIABLE MAN!

Both HQ and Riccarton have events on Sundays is the reason I believe...in the car parks..not that they'd be full these days!

You must have missed moi's post on this Weas... Latest Research suggests the expected 'ping' connections expect from being up the duff is indeed a figment of a vivid imagination...they GENERALLY go backwards... ...the ones that do go as if they're on drugs...do go well though...always the exception to any rule I guess... ...according to Rodley they're going to persist Racing though...one more run there and back here for the Zabeel swansong

Au contrare Bazz...it may have looked good saving inside ground...but ...Opee had the perfect opportunity one off...to follow Lyrs into the race and with the pace on at the Valley the sling shot affect always activates...instead got over to the rail and had no alternative once caught flat footed The first two slung themselves off the cambered turn taking full advantage of what that gives...

Oh my...If one lemming comes to the cliff...the rest follow I guess? Are you the same clown just starting off in this game... And gave us this gem in 'form analysis' 101... Not included: unlucky runs, wide runs, Sectionals. Overseas races next

Oh ffs...I thought we'd done with the stupid q's? Back them all eh? For the hard of hearing... If said neddy has accomplished the 'superior form in superior class back to inferior...and said neddy gets Blinkers on...then Punters trust the Trainer thinks EVEN more juice can be squeezed from said lemon...add 20%... Turns A Lemon Tart into a lemon tart Royale

That's right...it's my mission in life to keep reminding peeps just how RIDICULOUS your 'dissertations' are...especially when you keep regurgitating the L nonsense.. Tattoo this across the old noggin "If said neddy has proven superior form, as shown in serious form analysis including 'unlucky, wide without cover et el', now racing inferior neddys, as shown in serious form analysis...then get on" Your head's way big enough for that

Don't forget...if you win this Comp don't go looking at yourself in the mirror and re-naming yourself a GOAT... ...just like the former Formpro's 'Money Shot' did...aka FIGJAM...aka F Im Good Just Ask Me GOAT aka Greatest Of All Time.... Because these TAB Frauds...BANNED any restricted Punters from the Comp... ...so the 'Best' got banned so you can be made to feel good about yourselves Its also called Communism...enjoy your 'title' Brother

Yep...what they do is... Form analysis...including comparing superior form race neddys cf to their opposition's form in this race. ...taking into account 'excuses' et el... ...then they 'weight' things like Blinkers On if said Trainer knows wtf they're doing... ...it's so basic....even your relative Baldrick gets it... ...and he's as thick as a pig in slops...

It must be great to be back debating stuff?? But let's get serious...at least make sense when you come to the table...and at least bring something new and improved... Just to remind peeps about you and Bazz's concept of 'form analysis' when it comes to 'cop the f on' "when we hear the rail at Whanganui is as dead as a possum that's been road killed...we do what the rest don't...and action 'value' for those on the rail" That alone consigns yous fellas 'thinking' on punting here to total dunce class... ...and of course the idea that superior form races...back to mid weak...with Blinkers first time...is like investing on letter 'L' neddys... ...is TOTAL LOON territory But let's remind readers once again what your 'analysis' ignores while looking for peak performances and/or 'speed ratings'... ...you ignore unlucky runs, wide without cover ( "they do it in Harness..what's the diff"?) et el.... So a neddy may have finally matured...raced in career best form in a Black Type or ANY race actually...been unlucky and/or raced without cover 4 wide... ...and you've made ABSOLUTELY NO alteration to your speed 'ratings'...or it's suitability to certain tracks wrt past performances there...because " other horses who haven't raced there may also be suited...so I ignore course stats" Yea that.... ..but we know you do counterintuitive so well... ..it's GROSS IGNORANCE under another banner...just give up is my advice

Well that's what our hero Winn wants to do koppa... Centralise, which in turn allows a 'group' fund to develop world class track surfaces... but you've changed subjects again Lethal COMPLETELY forgot about the 'new' whip rule and went back to bezerk default mode last week... IMGAINE if they all did that in the next G 1 race...after connections told them.. "forget about the new whip rule...just GO NUTS because this is a f in G1..ok?" And we won't allow protests...ffs...it's only a matter of time, and these new rules are dead Set made for it, ...that an owner will force the issue and the Feds will have to explain the b/s that won't allow it...while talking with a mouthful of marbles...as usual

Again I'm sorry you can't read wee c.... The last tips were the TIPPING MASTERCLASS I gave... My advice is tell your mate Bazz the same thing from last week...or you'll be called a hypocrite "I'm having the best day all year" Bazz...having another Whakachunga ...yea na

I'm sorry you can't read.... Fyi...the arrogant ignorant 'statsman' started the thread..not moi ...again and as I've said...it's picking and choosing the best Trainers..and the horses that need them by 'observation' Your idea is that MELODY BELLE doesn't need them and you'd be telling Jammie to get them off ASAP...correct?

Gee boys...I hope the thread rang some bells in vacant heads when your form ''analynsis came up for the first IVAN KANE. (BLINKERS FIRST TIME) Straight to the front..without tactic change notification...but wtf cares when you're ON. Great course stats in superior fields...home track...great race Premier day first up..back to mid weak... 20% extra BO...30% extra Course stats at Home...Value at 8's I got 10's beautiful...gee I'm sounding like Bazz!

To be fear...I find a woman who does edgy stuff like overt hair colours exceedingly interesting from a Gen a say quoi perspective... ...it's like tats...a woman with tats shouting at you like hesi the shrew...then na ...Alors..if a woman takes you behind the bike sheds to compare discrete tats and said tat is classy...such as a snake stretching totally around the mid rift.. ...then I'm like a bit of putty in a hard broads palm..it's that easy in the 'looking for love' Stakes

First off Chef....don't close threads down when you start getting walloped...ok? You mentioned something about "Stats proved first time wearers are losers" yea na... As Ive said previously here...you're not going to treat an average Trainer the same as a great strike rate Trainer when applying ANY gear...or on 25 starts maidens with no form in the Desperation Stakes... Or in other races with absolutely no excuses on their recent form...have an open mind and apply some common sense... American wonder-horse Secretariat was known for his blue and white blinkers which certainly had no negative impact on his extraordinary speed! While the vision of horses is less sharp than that of humans (20/60 as opposed to 20/20), their eyes protrude and can see almost everything barring what is directly behind them and a tiny space in front of their face. When you put blinkers on a horse, he could react very negatively and become overwhelmed by his other senses. As such, first-time blinkers are something of an experiment. So how does this affect you, the punter? How Do Blinkered Horses Compare to Those Without Headgear? First of all, you can tell if a horse is blinkered by checking out the race card where there should be a small ‘b’ beside the horse’s name like this: The ‘b1’ beside the name of Dawaaleeb indicates that it is the horse’s first time wearing blinkers. As you can see, his trainer has a 4-18 record with first-time blinkers so you should be wary about backing this horse as a favourite; or should you? Here’s how horses with blinkers fared against their non-headgear wearing counterparts from the beginning of 2015 on all UK codes. Blinkers? Bets Wins Win % ROI (BF) Yes 20457 1974 9.65% -12.05% No 236372 26412 11.17% -5.41% As one might expect, horses wearing blinkers fare poorly overall against horses with no headgear in terms of win percentage and ROI. However, it is worth checking the performances of horses that wore blinkers last time out as well to eliminate first-time wearers from the equation. Horse wearing blinkers that also wore them last time out since start of 2015 Bets Wins Win% ROI (BF) 12756 1298 10.18% -15.1% Let’s compare the above data with horses wearing blinkers that didn’t wear them (or another kind of headgear) in their last race. Bets Wins Win% ROI (BF) 4288 349 8.14% -12.57% Neither set of data is encouraging in the least. At this early stage, it is tempting to dismiss horses with blinkers as a poor bet. Not so fast! First-Timers What the data above doesn’t take into account is the performance of horses wearing blinkers for the first time. For a clearer picture, I went as far back as the beginning of 2013, and things changed completely: Bets Wins Win% ROI (BF) 8426 726 8.62% -2.18% To be clear, the SP loss is appalling; over 26%, but on Betfair, it is little more than 2%. The main reason is that horses wearing blinkers (especially for the first-time) tend to have inflated odds; that’s why you almost break even on Betfair despite an incredibly low win ratio. From a punter’s perspective, it pays to focus on handicap races as you end up with a slight Betfair ROI of 0.35%; albeit with a very low win rate of 8.41%. In terms of code, All-Weather gives you a loss of over 5% while National Hunt and Flat races provide a small profit of over 2% apiece. Does a Horse With Blinkers Perform Better With Experience? Since Horseracebase did not enable me to check the performance of horses wearing blinkers for a fourth, fifth or sixth time, etc., I had to rely on data I found on Matt Bisogno’s www.geegeez.co.uk website. Matt discovered that from 2014-2016 on all UK race codes, horses wearing blinkers for the third time fared best with a 12.74% win rate and an SP ROI loss of 10%. Overall, Matt reached a very interesting conclusion: Horses wearing blinkers for the third time are the best betting option from a punter’s perspective. He checked Irish and UK racing, handicaps, All-Weather, Flat and National Hunt racing; the data was reasonably similar each time. In terms of trainers, Matt mentioned Gary Moore as someone with a good record when it comes to first-time blinkers. Moore’s Record First-Time Blinkers 2013-2017 Bets Wins Win% ROI (BF) 56 13 23.21% 176.64% All I can say is: Wow! A win rate of over 23% is impressive but look at that ROI! Final Thoughts One of the main reasons why a trainer adds blinkers to a horse is to improve early speed. If a horse is a slow starter, blinkers could be the key to getting him in contention. Rather than focusing on the general statistics relating to blinkers, I believe it is critical to look at the record of the trainer. As a general rule of thumb, ignore trainers with a blinkers win-ratio of below 15% because at that stage, it’s likely they are guessing and experimenting. In contrast, look at trainers such as Gary Moore with win percentages of over 20%. This is an indication that they know precisely what they are doing. Finally, look at the horse itself. Check a horse’s history to see if it has worn blinkers on other occasions and gauge the performance. If they didn’t work the first time, they are unlikely to make a difference a second time. Look for horses that typically have poor starts without blinkers. The new headgear could be just what they need to make the leap from pretender to contender.

They had a golden opportunity to take the moral high ground..to capture the hearts of the 'new' generation of race goers... ...so what did they do? Yep, just COPIED the OLD Australian one...not the new World order...but that's typical with NZTR...they're frightened of their own shadows.... And now the Australian momentum is growing...how stupid will we look when they UPDATE theirs? Lloyd Williams calls for whips to be outlawed Lloyd Williams. Photo: Darryl Sherer. Article Author Racenet8:12AM23 October 2019 82 Comments When six-time Melbourne Cup winning owner Lloyd Williams speaks, racing authorities generally listen. And now one of Australia's most decorated owners has called for whips in horse racing to be immediately banned in Australia. Last week's 7.30 Report on the ABC has focused more attention on animal welfare issues in the sport and Williams says it is time to act on the whip issue. He told Melbourne's Herald Sun newspaper "the world has changed" and he believes huge damage is being done to the reputation of the industry by whip use. "Australia needs to be at forefront and withdraw the whip,” Williams told The Herald Sun. “If we are not proactive, the industry will be lucky to survive. "If the industry doesn’t do something, it will be done for them. “The world has changed. I have seen some research. The whip has to go.” Racing Victoria says the use of padded whips is continually monitored and "we understand the need to consider the perception of the padded whip and this is something that the industry nationally must continue to debate." Australian jockeys are allowed to use the whip on a horse five times before the 100m mark of any flat race and the use of the whip is then unlimited over the final stages. South Africa trialled whip free racing last year and French authorities have also reduced the amount a jockey can use the whip to five times in a race. Related Topics: Lloyd Williams

So as suspected, BLINKERS were part of the 'pavlov's dog' psychology behind torturing these horses into performing... PRINCE OF PENZANCE was one who had Blinkers applied the start before the Cup as well... ...and 'whistling' was part of the 'training' ...was Payne told to whistle him to victory...because she barely touched him with the whip...is John Allen a good whistler? These grubs need LIFE TIME BANS...just change the Rules of Racing... ...then go find another hobby boys Poly pipe and electric shock devices - known as "jiggers" - were allegedly among the implements used on Red Cardinal and Yogi at Warrnambool between October 24 and Cup Day on November 6 last year. Poly pipe can be used to simulate the sound and effect of a whip. Weir, McLean and Kermond each face multiple counts of committing an act of animal cruelty, and "torturing, abusing, overworking and terrifying" Red Cardinal, Yogi and Tosen Basil on October 30 last year, when the horses were allegedly shocked with a jigger while running on a treadmill, wearing blinkers.

What a joke even charging him... These DISGRACEFUL, so called 'Bookies', are nothing but thieves, rogues and vagabonds...some Punters used to accused of... Including our very own TAB...whenever Steph Hunt says "were trading"... the Cat gets a good kicking...pfffftttt and phooey Steph... ...you only trade in bullshit.. Read and celebrate a win Punters Pro punter beats fraud charges Stephen Fletcher. Photo: News Limited. Article Author Racenet8:35AM, 23 October 2019 High-profile punter Stephen Fletcher won again on Tuesday when 78 charges against him were dismissed. Fletcher had spent the past four weeks on trial in the Downing Centre District Court faced with 78 charges of fraudulently using the accounts of friends to place bets which netted him more than $330,000 in winnings. News Limited reported the case involved raids on the offices of the Homicide Squad, a hearing before the then Police Integrity Commission and a six-year investigation­ involving extensive telephone taps. Judge Sophia Beckett found the prosecution had failed to prove that Fletcher­ had dishonestly obtained a financial advantage by using the accounts to place bets. “The financial advantage did not arise until the horse or dog he placed a bet on won,” Judge Beckett said after discharging the jury. There is no evidence­ the accused had any influence over that result. Sometimes he won, sometimes he lost.” Fletcher told the Daily Telegraph he was “relieved” and “indebted” to his legal team after the result. The biggest win during the scheme was in February 2013 when a $1600 bet returned $56,000 when Alma’s Fury strode to victory in the Group II Apollo Stakes at Warwick Farm.

The only way to keep a check on these disgraceful humans is to have fixed Video surveillance... ...just like our Fishing Trawlers...are supposed to have You can't ultimately trust humans when it comes to animal welfare v money at stake I'm afraid

The 'point' is bleedin' obvious I would have thought... Shes competitive there...2L from multiple Group winning Mare ALIZEE, who's not in the Cox but was 3L off in the Everest btw...a very good run.. If I was you I'd be using lengths from the winner rather than placings...or you just look ignorant

Sorry if you've missed the WHOLE point here... Most are now molly coddled Prima donnas with no concept of mob rules...ok? You should contact these pro trainers...like REDZEL's, who have them on for WHOLE careers...haha...maybe stick some ear muffs on before you do though

I'm surprised you didn't mention a different shade of hair colour Freda!