holy ravioli

So you admit you were full of shit ..and I didn't pick a horse to beat Imperatriz in the Manikato.You and the bellicose Curious are birds of a feather.

Talk about 'physician heal thyself'!...still waiting for your evidence of who I picked to beat Imperatriz in the Manikato!🙄

So what?

WTF??>??

Most people can identify it.You getting very hostile there,and it's not necessary.

Circular argument again.Are you playing the role of bookmaker,or going on your 'value' ,back multiple horses in the same race? $9 now...doesn't matter if its $100 if Imperatriz is a $1.60 shot homerun! "@$4.00...pile it like ..brylcreem".=hyperbole. I've no doubt you know what that is....and Brylcreem and...Old Spice!😃

As someone said...the horses don't know what they're paying....you either think Imperatriz will win.....he does,I don't. Therefore he doesn't think In Secret will win. Theres no money in long priced losers. Pile it on like Brylcreem is hyperbole...look it up!

As you know ,he said it was a $6 chance...and then wilts to $4.50. I'll take $5.50.

I've explained to you already the pros and cons re the 2 horses in discussion. I'm not asking you to agree with me. Btw who exactly did I select to beat Imperatriz in her last race,as you claim?

As you see...Curious has very weak hands!😜He has Imperatriz at $1.60...and she's still $1.70 at the TAB. I'm sure he's piling it on.I say $4.00 is value compared to the Imperatriz ...quote...can't you comprehend that?😁

Not so brave afterall...$4.50 will be available for sure. As for a 'monster'..go have a look at her Everest run. The only people who think punting is guaranteed by some scientific formula....are either deluded,broke ...or both.

As I think it is a winning chance...it actually depends on who the opposition is on the day,track conditions,draw...to be definitive. As an example I backed the Boks to win the W.C before the Semi...@$2...by the final they were out to $2.25....I got concerned about a very wet pitch...and did not go again at the better odds.

Alot can change in 2 weeks...acceptances ,weather,plenty of variables.

Really...so the race is nearly 2 weeks away and you rate her $1.60...! As mentioned I rate the Everest form over 1200m as better than the Manikato form over 1200m. In Secrets run in the Everest was a monster...flying out wider for 4th.She has also won at Flemington.You make her a $6...chance...love to have some of that. Some people may decide the Manikato was a stronger form race...I am definitely not one of them. Now you quantify your assessments and pricing given the pertinent factors available.

Well imo....Imperatriz beat a horse who didn't figure in the Everest finish. She smashed a small field...no track record this time like her prior 1000m triumphs at M.V. Think About it beat IWIW , Private Eye,In Secret i.e far superior opposition. If Imperatriz wins at Flemington,I would rerate her.The Classique Legend rating suggests the Everest is an excellent...measure.

It's a reference to the Chief's noted, disdain for the Everest. Performance assessments are subjective,regardless.

You know very well that Classique Legend won the Everest against an elite field of sprinters,and that is what it is rated on. You want it both ways....on one hand you insist Grp1's are the measure on the other ..these ratings are!! The reality is Imperartriz has been devastating at Moonee Valley against small fields.I Am Me didn't run a drum in the Everest. Good to see Opie didn't 'go too early' in the Manikato!😄

The National Party is littered with ex wallopers.😉

So in your opinion Classique Legend ,who never won a Grp1 ,deserves a higher rating than..Imperatriz?

Dan should change his name to Dud'...preposterous assessment.

Bit of a meaningless stat...going back 3 years. Um why has Classique Legend got such a high rating...didn't even win a Grp1!

Because we need another Imperatriz thread. NZ TAB...$1.70!!!!...Oh do behave..MV specialist against real talent Everest form in In Secret...@$4.00...pile it like ..brylcreem.😄

....you did...and...'Even a friend of mine who has only recently (last two months) taken an interest in racing knows that Imperatriz has 7 Grp 1 wins!😄

13 is one less than...14.

Here's her record-'Stakes performance: 1st 2023 Ladbrokes Manikato Stakes (Gr.1); 2023 Charter Keck Cramer Moir Stakes (Gr.1); 2023 3 Point Motors William Reid (Gr.1); 2023 Bcd Group Sprint (Gr.1); 2023 Sistema Railway (Gr.1); 2022 Fiber Fresh Nz T'bred Breeders (Gr.1); 2022 Levin Classic (Gr.1); 2023 Mittys McEwen Stakes (Gr.2); 2023 Westbury Classic (Gr.2); 2022 Waikato Stud Foxbridge Plate (Gr.2); 2021 Barneswood Farm Eclipse Stakes (Gr.2); 2021 Soliloquy Stakes (Gr.3); 2021 Northland Breeders' Stakes (Gr.3); 2nd 2023 Furphy Canterbury Stakes (Gr.1); 2022 Cambridge Stud Almanzor Trophy (Gr.3); 3rd 2021 H. Bay Breeders' Gold Trail (Gr.3); Re you not too good at counting....can you count 14 group wins there?😉