Gammalite

All those big time owners lose Brodster. They have that many horses and I do remember you pricing how much it cost to run one. It's not a great option to do solo. I always had partners. And just strove to break even. It was just a bit of fun. even the very top of Seymour, Stonewall and even Boots are all probably well behind in harness as far as dollars spent are concerned. , but make/made their money elsewhere. and their investment in harness is getting them some winners recent years for sure. so are having a great time. yes like you , they are intelligent men , and made their money over the years in various ways. Apologies for the miser reference. I'm sure you always invest in what you enjoy.

Nothing wrong with that. I don't mind the debate with you , and yes things repeat. and it's a vast topic so we're covering plenty of ground. I was just disappointed to see the support (lack thereof) to run the TAB trot , when those great participants were turning up and would be headline Trot News around the Whole world. fantastic. the maiden and any race winners at Weatport , Reefton and Redcliffe and Margate = WON"T. (sadly, but they are just the old participants making a living) To Answer your question in a nutshell again Sustainabilty of the industry relies on these factors. 1 / You need Participants to do the racing. this is fading in NZ because of the age of the fabulous participants. so many have already passed retirement age. 2/ Revenue, you had a gift horse (as did Oz with Ladbrokes and Sportsbet) that want to still take the bets on the sport even though as you accurately say they make the Megabucks from SPORTS Betting. ( I even put my 100 on the footy last night as very limited risk , with only 2 starters. Gold Coast at $1.50 . easier than horses lol 💰🤣 3/ money is gathered from a lot of sources , and allocated each season . there are about 8 sources including sponsors, Shareholders, Benefactors and more. it's quite complicated and I have had several chats with QR leader David Brick ( who bought the Interdominion Back amidst other things) with brilliant efforts and foresight. 4/ Entain WILL NOT let the harness racing collapse. they're only moderately interested , and as Brodie says Sure , the Stake money will / or might have to drop to levels that Victoria or QLD run at , ( with the same amount of horses in race training ) 5/ The economy is tough. People have large rents and mortgages. of course the betting dollar is gunna drop accordingly . you just can't make it the be-all and end all . Slot races actually have Participant funding. This is what we might have to do in future. Pay to Start your horse . Pay an Acceptance Fee. not just get paid petrol money for running last at meetings and that. they should get nothing and try again next time lol.

take a First 4 in Slot Trot then? as I suggested earlier on this thread then . and spend a lot less. and enjoy the action. EXAMPLE . Last night the Feature FFA at Alexandra Park Race 4 had the 6 starters . a nice number to give All runners a chance of victory. (big fields make it too hard and not worth the drama lol 🤣 1 was completely out of depth . ( A.Butts Drive) so write it off Immeadiately. Just leaves one other to drop out and you get the FIRST 4 , without even having to think much 🤣🏆 so if you drop Little Spike (because just has average driver and average trainer ) and run with the Sport Superstar's of Mark Purdon Herlihy, BarryP , all the Dalgety's and Zac Butcher 💪👍 You collect the FIRST 4 of Better Knuckle Up-Freeze Frame - Jolimont and Rubira. $197 for a $24 box outlay. fantastic. 💰 Punting on small fields with TOP horses and TOP drivers is just so easy. 💰💰 money for jam with those great NZ horsemen. and Better class horses. Proven to win you money . Meanwhile The Galah and Brodie will be backing bush ticks and Fleas at Westport that can't run 2 minutes, but somehow you want to lose your money on them ? crazy stuff. and Reefton trot maidens? lol. and getting angry with the starter when their horse gallops again 🤣😂. I've tried to do a Menangle thread here for tonight to highlight some Beautiful NZ horses running in the first 7 races. So have tried to show off some beauties in the Derby heats and Miracle Mile qualifiers for you blokes. think my efforts might be in vain though competing against the might of those Westport maidens and hacks ?😂 😉 Anyway I tried . at least it pop's some names of some great players/horses tonight on the site for a moment in time. sometimes the Sport is worth enjoying. (not so much in NZ it seems lol 😁😅)

The Slot races are hugely funded by the Participants. they buy the slots. The Eureka is with over a Million dollars because of this , and is not considered a disgrace or 'Reckless to the sport. It enables ANYBODY to get involved in a Slot and get involved . we have started a popular 2 yearold one for $1/2 million in Brisbane past 2 years. It's not considered a Waste of funding lol. that's a BOAY thing lol. Reefton Maiden trot more popular ?? according to Galah. that's just head scratching . Don't run features anymore ? your SPORT would collapse and Die . That's why we run features. to attract people with money to still have a Go. Brodie's a miser . he wouldn't buy a yearling lol 😁😉 KEAYANG Zahara is owned by a Syndicate of regular people out in the Bush , not big spending owners at all . Just people having fun with their sport. Australia's feature SLOT race saw ENCIPHER win , and Defeat LEAP To Fame , for a syndicate of regular South Australia Folk

Job of HRNZ. In a nut shell Put on races for the participants . Have races for All class of horses that are in training in All the areas of NZ. Allocate the Stake money available from all sources including Entain , Sponsors and about 8 other ways Funding is gathered . Including Sires Stakes programs , etc. Supply the officials and workers that enforce the rules, and Run the product around the country to make it an exciting and enticing, and SAFE product for all the participants to have a go at. Running the feature races such as The Betcha Race, Velocity, Derbies, Sire Stakes, harness Millions, Golden Gait and many more) are a SURE FIRE Way to attract Big time owners to Buy and Race and Breed Big time Horses and racing. This is Happening SO SUCCESSFULLY , that Aus owners Mick Boots, Dean Shannon , Mrs Fliess, Butterworth's and others regularly compete in NZ , and have horses trained there now. this is Excellent for the industry. Which is keeping good horses and owners racing. HRNZ is Doing this Better than Ever. All these above items are running First Class and better horses and races than all history of over 100 years are being run . Thanks To ENORMOUS EFFORTS by a LOT of people at Entain and HRNZ. and yet BOAY turns on them with no appreciation and says replace the lot .??? or even get rid of the ATC because it is high end owners. hahahaha using up your funding ?? What about the drivers and trainers lol. Westport and other Bush meetings (like on Sundays) are put on as well. as part of the HRNZ funding program. for bigger stakes than they deserve too. because of the great job being done by the HRNZ Computer. Brodie and others think they are better than a Financial Computer so good luck to ya fella's ( you're Not) Stakes are allocated on a annual basis. They adjust to suit the totals available in any one season. Logic . which is more obvious to some than others. BOAY patrons however , SHow their distain for the TAB Slot trot. ??? on this thread. That's Such a shame. Best Trotters on the planet assembled by some amazing folk that organize this stuff. To Show Case our sport for the World. these events are Helping with our (NZ and OZ harness) reputation and Standing on the world Stage ( so we get BIG Time horse owners and breeders like Canadian Mike Tanev and breeder, yearling purchaser Dean Shannon, NZer Stockman , Mick Boots (who has 30 trainers doing horses for him) etc supporting NZ harness mightily ) such an important thing for NZ harness, but you can't see it for the doomsday opinion and constant ridicule of the amazing people at HRNZ that keep it all going.

Brodie gets stuck into them all the time . You don't see well at all Peter. 😆😉 . Maybe try reading a Few Threads on BOAY . Who do you think ATC and HRNZ are? Brodie quite happy to call them Basket cases on about , oh lets see? hundreds of occasions . It's a bit of a running joke actually. Who do you think works at ATC and HRNZ ? plenty of horse people. People who love the sport. Brodie critical to the max old mate. Completely insults them at their jobs constantly . Are you living under a rock and didn't notice? Alas he Doesn't like Entain helping out either, nor about 50 other things and organisations. I don't have to suggest anything . It's in plain view across several threads. People (including Chief) don't even bother replying to the trots thread anymore with all that crap on it . I wonder why ?? lol🙄😋 What happens when TOUR PARTY is in $100,000 young guns 6 horse field race shortly as $1.10 favourite. ? should Can the race ? . Waste of money? .It's at the ATC for strters. money could be better used elsewhere? No one can bet on it lol . (should be used for thoroughbreds would be better than you unappreciative lot anyway.) BUT don't Run one of the greatest Trot races ever seen with OscarB , Muscle Mountain, Keayang Zahara , Gus and 3 others , possibly the current Interdominion Champ Arcee Phoenix as well. THATS JUST a DISGRACE PETER. well done Peter well done. recklessness . lol.

ENTAIN are a 'Gift horse' to racing. I don't expect you to understand why . I don't agree with much you say at all actually sorry. I can see you're just total ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT Brodster. anyone in any authority you just can em' It's a bit of a shame for you as you worry too much about stuff that's not real . Like People in WORKING jobs that they're paid to do have No Business sense???. they've been very successful . that doesn't even make sense to start off with . ENtain and HRNZ (for over 100 years) have been very successful companies and employ plenty of fine businessmen and accountants and handicappers and employees that have been successful in Multiple fields of endeavor . I found some of them a pleasure to race horses for like Jim McNeil and Chris Garrard and Alistair Cox NZ and John Devlin NZ . I feel privileged to know such great people that are involved in harness and raced their horses for them. The horsemen themselves ? well that's just Best on the Planet Level Brodster. I feel like i'm at the top of EVEREST like Sir Edmund Hilary, watching them go . amazing stuff they do these days. Reading this BOAY forum is like harness is being abbandoned on Mt Erebus with some DC10 remains. Do you realize this Slot Trot SHOWS oFF NZ and AUS as the Best Trotting trainers and trotters on the Planet.?? A/ you blokes don't. you want to can the race because of a tiny tiny 200-300 k input by HRNZ ?? lol 🤣 One fellow here saying its a disgrace above above ??? . lol whatta a disgrace that is. Keayang Zahara and Gus and Muscle Mountain racing is a disgrace . qeeez mate . what is wrong with the world . better off firing missiles I spose. Chief puts at the top of the page BOAY : New Zealand s Premium Pro Racing Forum. Re-name it Chief!!!! . BOAY: New Zealand s Premium ANTI-Racing Forum .

It's not the Entain money that will 'Stop' the industry . They are the one's propping it up with spare back pocket cash at the moment. NZ and Australia. blatant mismanagement is JUST Not Correct. they're helping out in hour of need. And as The Galah correctly says , SPortsBetting is the go these days for them , and horse racing is just like a side dessert if you like , that they don't really need. It's a TWILIGHT industry . NZ especially has TWILIGHT participants. I can't believe Ricky May coming back again , nor Barry Purdon the other day. Dr Chin . really ? who's gunna lose money betting on them ? not you or I. didn't get enough youngsters involved is the HUUUGEE knife in the back for NZ harness. I agree Fully with you Brodster that the mile racing and smaller field's are quite boring. commonly run in Aus every day of the week. and you have advocating keeping them to a minimum in NZ as a spectacle or a Betting prospect. NZ has a GREAT VAriety of RACES put on by HRNZ 9cmpared to Aus) and Caters for All their participants. THE PARTICIPANTS are just as Important as the Punters to keep it going. No Participants = No Racing = You're washed Up. ENTAIN and HRNZ are handling it to keep it going. And you know this. you're just being mean really not appreciating the efforts . we'll lose heaps on the Interdominion but you still need these Pinnalcle events to keep people like Seymour interested ( as well as all the 5 day to day meetings we run each and every week. HRNZ does it better than all our OZ states , except NSW HR which look after their participants magnificently across the board and hopefully at a profit. For your tiny HRNZ industry the results achieved are Just amazing really. fancy people grizzling they put in 200-300 thousand ( a pittance to Entain) to run the feature Slot TROT of Australasia? , of the world nearly? . with some of the world's best trotters EVER SEEN , yet this thread says Call it off ?????????????????. I give up mate. It's like calling off the Olympics 100m because BOLT was too fast for them . 🤣😆. forget the spectacle 😉

they could spend it on thoroughbreds I spose. 🙄 But that would be no no no good to ya. and harness racing NZ. Thankfully Ladbrokes put on QLD racing (Ladbrokes is a subsidiary of Entain) and we don't bet much on the 'Boring' racing here. the fields are too even with the rating system. It's just 500-600 participants making a living virtually. So even though QLD harness is running at a betting loss we still use the ENtain money to run the Interdominion each Winter and a whole host of Group 1' s (just in July and Dec as that's the budget we have) . the 2 Interdominions are worth $1.5 million between them . BUT WE don't say DISGRACE and WASTE of FUNDING , even though the whole lot is funded by Queensland racing (and not the participants like the slot races) just because in ALL likelihood LEAP TO FAME and KKEAYANG ZAHARA will Win the 2 Interdominions and will Stifle the betting. We have the races Still !! and enjoy and Don't call it a disgrace or Recklessness . a bit like the progressive HRNZ introducing the great slot racing to Addington past 2 years as well to really sell the great harness product. I guess it's in the approach you have as a doomsayer . how's your Bunker going. get it as deep as Brodie yet 😋

Well they're just preparing for some fabulous Autumn racing . Here's the article. Track All done up with new surface ready to go. Plenty of Group racing. Gunna be epic !! hope you enjoy. Only one kiwi tackling the Miracle Mile qualifiers this week ? . PINSEEKER with Jonny Cox . The same bloke who was the only one Brave enough to go to the Interdominion last year ( Chapman's did send their Pacer to McCarthy to have a go thought. Beach Ball . so credit to them too for having a go too) So should be plenty of horses in NZ harness racing to cheer on next few weeks . Messenger, Taylor Mile and that . Choc's and Marketplace and Rubira clashes. gunna be a ripper. It's the first time the track has been re-surfaced since 2023 when major flooding prompted a complete reconstuction. "I am very grateful to the Auckland Trotting Club and Red Contracting for their help in getting the job done so efficiently," says Denton. Alexandra Park's meeting tomorrow night kick-starts the new Northern Lights Autumn Carnival which will see 13 Group 1s and nearly $5m in feature race stakes on offer between March and May at the Park and Cambridge Raceway.

You guys are just Bitterly disappointing these days. Not a skerritt of support for the great competitors on the track , nor your fabulous organizing bodies . And the Galah backs you u calling it a disgrace ? that's a disgrace lol 😆😋 (should leave that for Doomsday Brodie) Of course any race Keayang Zahara is in doesn't have good betting. duh. that's what happens when champions arrive. So you say DON"T HAVE THE RACE because of the Betting ???😅🤣 that's great support for the champions lol 😂 I do concede, You can't really back anything to beat her. (my suggestion would be take First 4 in those sort of races but whatever) As for Recklessness with ENTAIN money. what total ROT. ENTAIN puts in the money to use over a season. They are worth BILLIONS they are back in court this year with a potential $100,000,000 fine (for money laundering) and already have that set aside , should the day come. WHAT BETTER way for them to SPEND their proceeds but on BIG Harness races. The Slot races involves the PARTICIPANTS putting in $30,000 each as well . The small input from HRNZ is a True Blessing for them. Not a disgrace. They are rejoicing in their good fortune. Great racing of some of the best TROTTERS EVER SEEN in Gus, Keayang Zahara and Muscle Mountain . 14 fabulous Group 1's to be run at Auckland through the Autumn next 3 months, on their newly re-surfaced track . Well done HRNZ for the great NZ racing and support of your participants. 🏆💰 Thank you Entain for the great Entertainment as well. Disgrace and recklessness ??? lol 🤣 poor old trotters. NZ used to like them too over the years. times change I spose.🙄😉

Chief is a bit busy mate. Getting tickets and a train ride to the Big Cambridge Night of Champions organized. Don't worry he'll fit you on somewhere. Could be a bit full by the time they get to the Picton Ferry though. 😂😎

Chief might put up a ticket to the 'Night of Champions' champion. but he might not either 😎🏆

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Everyone loves a good Slot race , and with some great racing Saturday night with the Derby Heats and Miracle Mile Quaifiiers on at Menangle we have 5 Slots up for grabs for a BOAY slot race winner. Races 1-7 . Trying to support the majority of these great runners SLOT 1/ The Grim Slot. The Jason Grimson trained runners in the first 7 races Menangle culminating with Captain's Mistress in the Chariots of Fire. SLOT 2/ The McCarthy Slot .. Australia's leading horseman with 8 runners training or driving in the slot events SLOT 3/ The NZ bred NZ Winners Slot .. These great horses ALL won a race in NZ at some stage of their career. Can they win Menangle too? SLOT 4/ The Queensland trained Sunshine State Slot... The runners trained in QLD in first 7 races at Menangle. SLOT 5/ The LAST Start Winners Roughie Slot. All these horses won their last starts and are a good chance again to cause some upsets. Horse names running in each BOAY Slot will be up shortly in the next post . They will score points from finishing position in their races. Gammalite will take Slot 4 . Post your preferred SLOT number on thread here . and see if you can beat the other 4 slot holders home. results up after each race Saturday night .