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can't see the sense in it. weeks wages in one bet ? If you've got $1000 to spend/lose , just have 10 x $100 bets. 👍💰💰 is 10 x the fun. is 10 x the challenge. support for 10 races and fabulous horsepeople. Bound to get at least one Winner then?? . (law of averages in 10 horses fields ) They don't even take $1000 on one thing/game at the casino . and they've got millions and millions 💰. It's just a simple restriction that helps people stop LOSING money so fast they 'dig a Hole' for themselves. Most people would lose VERY QUICKLY without the great limits that are imposed at TAB and/or Casino. Better to have a lot of ' little bets' at casino or TAB, and they are a chance of calculating their losses as they go, before the 'Hole they Dig' Buries them altogether in unretrievable debt. 9 out of 10 people LOSE is what Brodie forgets.

that is because the House team support Manawatu. he has heaps of starters there ,to 1/ be able to Win races 2/ Get horses to win races for owners that otherwise would not get a win. can't wish them enough winners. I think that Manawatu should have a meeting every week. Doody and Chilcott and Dickson and Abernathy's could all get winners every week then . Just too hard to win at Auckland. those top 10 barns are world class. They're ALL my favourites mate. I am in awe of some of their results over extended periods of time (esp Mark and Barry ) winning the very best like Derbies, Interdominions and Miracle Miles against everyone. But they have tapered off a bit with age , as we were discussing . Natalie is gone too. and Mark relocated and semi retired . The Champ still can come to Queensland and clean us up though . Bought RUBIRA over in the winter and won the QLD Derby here . won 3 out of 4 actually, even with him putting an average driver on. and OscarB ran 3rd in the Interdominion trot final for him. Even while he's near retired he can still show em' how to do it. and the Aussies are VERY hard to beat these days too. Super competitive. amazing results from Stewart and Grimson and McMullen barns too. I've never seen such Grand horses winning. it's almost euphoric .

well the moment is season to season. You can only put on a product for those that turn up. HRNZ put on the races. Participants in the sport should turn up . SIMPLE. NowOrNever has hit the nail on the head (twice) These 2 Statements. They are the critical ones. Alas NZ trainers in the North have got very LAZY is what i'm putting it down too. mainly due to old age and being millionaires now there's no need for great effort anymore. Look at the lack of support for Fridays meeting . Tony Herlihy = one runner, Telfers = one runner, Dunns = one runner, White = one runner, Purdon M, N and B with only one runner each. Donnelly 1 runner Hackett 3 runners , House 2 runners , and hardly any Butcher in sight? Just 14 horses from 10 of the Top North Island Stables in what should be Peak season ?? lazy , laaazy. and Ray Green (with the young Delaney co-trainer )has 5 runners . so they are actually doing something and training and racing some. Only ONE of the top 10 stables working hard and get one some runners ? well done Ray and staff.🏆 we have about 10 trainers in Brisbane with horses capable of winning Metro Saturday nights (fast enough like Alexandra Park) and they turn out 1/2 dozen horses each , week in , week out all through the year. Why can't NZ trainers do that anymore ? lazy ? HRNZ put races on and no one turns up anymore . no wonder there's nothing to punt on and you're all crying . Lazy trainers. Not working enough horses anymore?. there's the reason old mates 🤣😎 Dr Chin is 80 years old and is still towing his 2 horses in to race Friday night ( he's not lazy that's for sure lol .bless him 🤣🏆😋)

Leap To Fame really good as per usual. was quite a powerful win. Kingman hanging in worse than anything i've ever seen in that race ? he really has some bad ways. When Kingman was in NZ ha was hanging as you say , And that was just after his October Victoria Cup win over Leap To Fame at Melton. In that race he raced very awkwardly as well , and hung bad and then even broke stride for a few strides . was given a warning then on his racing manners. I can't believe he still won the race actually . Perhaps the horse just 'Won't Run' with a lugging pole on ? . You do get the odd horse that resents them and just refuse to stretch out at all as they lean on them and get cranky lol. I would think Luke would of tried one on Kingman in training? (possibly). as the horse is doing this a fair bit now (hanging very badly as you observed ) was even doing it at Menangle on the Big track.

and put simply , and to finally wins the arguement with logic you can Not possibly argue with 😎👍 here it is. Of course horses are stupid and run into things. If it wasn't for the driver Several Horses per race would pile straight into the BARRIER Arm of the mobile . right in front of their face. Yes mate, there's plenty of stupid ones. I've seen hundreds hit the mobile (several on me) over the years and it would be thousands of the horse was without a driver . there's plenty of stupid ones 🤣🏆😋 Tony Herlihy would of been hoping and praying the horse could see the light pole coming up in front of him . Harrison John I think the horse was. so no light poles were harmed old mate, but PLENTY of Mobile Barrier arms have been . horses running head first straight into them . Case closed !!!!! . thanks ball boys thanks ball girls

yes, was just discussing it with a mate . Leap to Fame seemed to be the best around yet KINGMAN has beaten him in all three classes including that Super NZ Cup win. Luke mcCarthy is just such a hard man to beat anytime. might have the wood on LTF ? beat him with Don Hugo in the Miracle Mile too last year , and likely to repeat. The Ballarat Trotters Cup went off just now and KEAYANG ZAHARA left em' to it Mr Galah . 22 wins from 23 starts now and she left the Cambridge Slot winner and Interdominion champ ARCEE PHOENIX struggling behind as she Zipped 27 seconds for her last 2 quarters. way too quick for them . Gus won't be at her at the Interdominion on that alas at our home Interdominion in Winter. will any NZers come and bother trying ? she's is super extraordinary for sure. a flying trotting machine

No , but horses that are loose PANIC mate. You know this. I know this . Quite often they get loose at the gallops and crash into rails and all sorts of things can happen. some even try and hurdle the rails to get out there. they hit things alright. and don't they ever. Horses usually get a FRIGHT when losing their driver. Driving races is nearly a Fright and flight response we get from horses to make them go anyway. they take flight on most occasions. Horses are pretty stupid when making the decisions themselves mate. this is for sure. Most get on the steel (bit) early and just want to get the race over and done with. I had a nice mare from NZ that got tipped out in a race in a bad accident at Albion. Her driver was badly injured and the horse continued until it caught the field and piled straight into the back of someone and crashed to the track . Sly Davita was never the same after that and was a real shame as just about had her running 2 mins at the time , and was a basket case after. Horses would pile into things all the time if running loose Mr Galah , especially in a race . They've got no idea they're climbing over a wheel until they actually do it. Every race the driver will stop them from doing this. You know this ? so to be honest I've seen horses hit lots of things . a pole would be different but certainly not out of the realms of possibilities lol 🤣😎 afterall How many stupid car drivers lose control and hit poles All the time for one reason or another. (fate and luck sometimes) I see a horse as no different when out of human control. p.s my dad got a fractured skull in a race at Brighton once and was in a coma for 4 days , but luckily his horse got home safely after going out the service tractor gate , and a kilometre up the road to her stables , where she was trained from near that track, and even got the sulky' turned around in her stall (somehow when it was wider than the open stall door 😮 , and had her head in the feedtin in the corner getting her after race meal , trying to eat it with the bit in her mouth still a bit of a challenge lol 🤣 bit of a miracle she didn't hit any poles on the way though ? 👍😉

horses are notorious for tangling once they get away on the driver. Horses behaviour is quite uncontrolled at this stage. The driver steers the horse around markers . not the horse itself. Of course with no pressure on the reigns the horse will go 'Anywhere' . Didn't you see Tony Herlihy on that Cullen runner that snapped a reign in the Group 1 Christian Cullen Cup week. ?? He was just on a ride to no-where after that. Horse nearly took John Dunn out with it as it went cross country on the inside at the Addington Back straight. and it still had the driver . I thought it was gunna hit the light pole for sure. Anyway , throw the book at the Juniors if you think it would help 🤣. I don't think it was/or would help . 🤭🍋 Here's a poor bugger without the driver in photo . a beautiful animal too. Can you pick him ??? Ran 4th chasing the field in this very Big Final even without his driver . probably win it if managed to keep driver 😉 lol. What a trier he was !! 🏆😎

The look of the video is what Brodster mentioned very early in this thread . The reins are dangling everywhere on the ground after Holly tried to Hang on for 40m after being tipped out. That's is outrageously dangerous to start off with. Let alone the horse 'Having No Steering' thereafter and just going wherever it feels . With NO Driver the Horse is NOT going to steer around the track pylons is it? The Stewards report said it jumped one to nearly fall. Why blame this on another driver ? Suspensions ? really ? they're trying to win a race , and not concentrate on what a driverless horse is doing. You should of seen how many Incidents were in every Junior drivers race in the 80's in those 14 horse fields (usually of low class 'Not so well gaited' horses who were in a junior race for a reason) The reason being they weren't very good lol 😂. and those races were organized CHAOS as a result. Good for a laugh though. I used to just try and follow Tony Herlihy, the master who had a knack of winning and staying out of trouble. Nearly beat him once too😁. but he is just too good. I agree with NoworNever earlier too, Whom had said the race should of been called off instantly. By the Stewards. A dangerous situation developed right at the start , and most races are Stopped these days the moment a driver is lost from a sulky' early in the race. seems the best idea to avoid potential disaster.

Fancy calling the great sport in NZ mediocre. Never before have the horses gone so fast , and races run for money than ever before with MANY great incentives like Slot races and that. The horsepeople some of the most experienced and Respected on the planet. Alas the Aussies have plundered them past 3 years because of the AMAZING NZ racing put on by the Amazing HRNZ. No ones perfect Brodster. But one should appreciate the efforts of the people involved in the industry as much as criticise them. Rules and regulations are in place for a Reason. Stake money is allocated at certain rates for a reason (that is unfortunately beyond your understanding) The ratings system for horses is applied For a reason. They've been formed over 100 years. The NZ harness community and it's racing and it's participants are World Class already. Some of the greatest horsemen in the world (and horses) are from NewZealand and are that because of the great conditions that were supplied by the clubs and HRNZ to give them that opportunity. Your criticism doesn't improve anything 'Jack shit' to be honest. 😂 Chief doesn't even bother writing to you now. you've killed the sport. just hangs shit on heaps of kiwis doing their jobs. Not everyone does there job the same as the next person. SOMETIMES you just have to Accept the Decision that is made by Stipes , or by a driver, or by a bookie , or why they have mile racing (there's the obvious answer to that you just refuse to understand) or why they have Betting limits (which is actually so obvious, it slaps everyone in the face like a wet fish ) except you old mate. under the rock .lol 😉🍋😁

well another damning report from the Galah , to go along with Brodie's constant critical analysis of HRNZ, Entain, ATC and North Island racing , and feature racing and anything else that encompasses Nz Harness racing, including the Programmer and the Starter . you Might as well throw the Stipes on the bon-fire as well and the North Island Junior drivers. 😂 . nobody can do anything properly in NZ according to you 2 blokes ?? 🤣 Those juniors (except Delaney who doesn't drive much) seem ok in their records , and accusing them of not thinking of safety is a bit harsh. I'm sure they're better than that? and Coppins just won 5 races the first day at Hawera. Don't see you guys congratulating that fine effort ?lol. 🤭 probably Not good enough 😉 But on a more reflective note , since you feel sorry for BECKER getting the run around and nearly hitting the grass twice in one race, here's a funny 'Bit of a Yarn' just for you. 40 years ago almost to the day Feb 86' , the original BECKER was exported to Aus as a maiden from the North island. The purchaser hoping the horse by sire 'Lonero' might have a fraction of the ability of the Australian Derby winner that year in My Lightning Blue (probably the only good horse by Lonero ever😎 , and went on and won the NZ Cup) But BECKER was one of those horses that couldn't win , even though we were running slow 2.04-2.08 mile rates those days , and had about 30 seconds in race career from memory and only 1 or 2 wins. He was backed off the map at his first start in Aus after arriving ( to win about 40k 💰 I think it was from the Bookies. I remember helping get some of it on ) at some country obscure maiden race. but the Bugger Becker galloped at the start and lost about 40m 🙄, then battled back into it and ran 2nd. No collect lol. A real flopparooney was the old BECKER. they never recovered the purchase price on that horse. He was a bad buy. A real slow one lol. just the sort you could send to Hawera ? to flop around lol . 40 years on . a 'Becker' memory revived lol 😂

you and Brodie forget the Major thing . Just like any Government or education funding or roads funding or medical funding ,with The Funding , x-amount is allocated each season / year to use. this is common for most companies needing funding. they have an annual budget. They have to use the allocation per year for operational costs as part of the calculated set up of a season of racing. it doesn't carry over if you Don't Use/allocate it. normal business . It is noble that you and Brodie worry about what is happening in the future years, at the end of the initial 5 year period where you're terrified ENTAIN are going to run off into the sunset . They won't IMO . Of course the amount funded could be less , as what happens time to time , just like with company sponsorships. and the racing could well be for much LESS Prizemoney as you are predicting .It's just the state of the sport these days. less interest in it than 20 years ago or even 10 years ago. less interest over time=less money invested. normal business acumen again. The Current decision making , whether be Ladbrokes (a ENTAIN subsidiary in QLD), or ENTAIN in NZ you guys never stop OUT CRYING their performance is poor , when without them, the Harness racing would be near FINISHED without their great support in recent years ? . We in fact have even better carnivals and racing recent times ,all around NZ for great prizemoney I'll give you an example. Victoria Harness is running at a seasonal loss each season last few years. Harness racing is just not a popular sport anymore. So they recently got Gov funding to keep going until the end of next year 2027 season. All the $44 million extra funding given will have to be used this year and next. it is to support the 2026 and the 2027 seasons. there are a lot of tracks and racing in Victoria . more than NZ these days. but They can't keep it (the extra funding) for future times ). It doesn't work like that. funding , as always is for Specific Time Periods. normal business acumen. will be back at running a loss after 2027 , so new plans will be made prior. Funding is seasonal. it's almost calculated to the dollar across however many race meetings there are in a year. Enjoy the Great racing while you can then !! before all the changes and cuts.

I spose you're right , but companies All look to try and grab as many self interest bucks they can, and Exactly as you say , that's how the world Works. I find the last 3 years harness racing quite entertaining (Nz harness) I guess because of the New races and the Aussie involvement which has been outstanding. You got to see Swayzee and Just Believe and Keayang Zahara. some of the best ever. has been fabulous to say the least. but I was happy for the locals too, and to see the Golden Gait series at Auckland past 2 years, and those $60k races the other day for under $5,000 fee stallions , Run and Won by your 'Battlers' too at Ashburton !! but you guys Still weren't happy with HRNZ doing that?. So I guess that prioritized Self Interest somehow as well. Oh well . At least they tried to look after the Battler. was a good days racing and many not Rich and Famous got a quid. so it worked fine. kiwi Ingenuity strikes again.

I know what you're saying. But really with the money they pour in (buying yearlings and that ) I can only support the rich and famous , as much as the battler. I hope they all get a win in the end. not many of them actually return a profit in the end , but have fun racing a few . afterall it is a sport and is about enjoyment as well as money. The quality of the horsepeople in the Nrth Island is off the scale high. Only a small band left and people like Tony Herlihy are the most humble wonderful people I have ever met. I am glad they put races on for him still in his twilight years . sure they're not battlers (any of those trainers left) but HOW good For the Sport have they been Over the years. Just amazing really. I love watching the NZ trotting still, and those bloes. Probably the saddest silly thing I do is seeing how you have given up on em' (after being really supportive up to a couple of years ago ) but Brodster has weakened you into his Bag everyone (ATC, Entain, HRNZ, North Island ) narrative , when really the product being produced is > STILL WORLD CLASS , and you can't see it . Bring on the next Cambridge night of Champions I say !! who doesn't love seeing the best go round ? everyone except me it seems lol 😅😂🤣 never mind. we all have faults lol.

things cost DOUBLE what they did 20 years ago. everything. including running horses. It makes perfect sense when the entertainment dollar can be spent on other things. Family friendly things that the kids can get involved with too. kids usually stay outside a gambling industry until 18. Crazy to get them involved while doing schooling. Nearly all the current participants (NZ and OZ) are in the sport from family connection . over decades. The sport is fading (especially NZ ) with the family numbers a Lot less these days. people had less kids. Remember how many Butts and O'Reilly and Butchers there were for example at one stage? the next generation coming through is light in number. Roy even had 3 sons (and massive winning Son in Law ) that carried the Purdon colours for decades. Exactly what happened/happening. Barry and Tony and David Butcher, Mark Purdon , Maurice and Bernie still go round each week at Auckland like they did when I was there 40 years ago. They are STILL WINNING nearly all the races , (with the Dunn and Telfer satellite stables joining in too) at Auckland , and yet you talk about them like Brodie these days . that they're all rubbish and should be shut down with so few horse left racing ?? they're all due for retirement . They've all Served the industry THEIR WHole Lives and at the Very Top level . I've seen Barry winning Miracle Miles even lol. Yet this site Shows NO APPRECIATION of their magnificent achievements and wants them shown the door ? because the South Island is Better quality racing ? lol. 😅😉 a lovely send off for the absolute world champions of the sport. piss off Tony H. south Island is better. they still have standing starts and 15 horse fields . what quality that is for modern times lol. 😂 no room for you old mate .😁 sorry Galah , just a bit of 'Gamma' sarcasm to try and be cheery lol😋 Good on ATC still putting stuff on for those wonderful horsemen I say. should be applauded. Anyway they were/And Are All way too good to worry about any new participants turning up that Brodie called for. and the next generation which is Crystal Hackett doing trotters, and Nathan Purdon and Josh Dickie, Ben Butcher Matty White who are all struggling to win (or even get a decent team of horses together ) against those terrific old stables like Green and Barry Purdons that are still so competitive. The only hope was if you went hard at it with numbers (of horses and staff and starters) like Telfer and Dunn do , running stables in both Islands . QLD has Grant Dixon and Pete Mcmullen with over 100 horses between them. so they win a big chunk the Metro races they go in , and work very hard at it with great staff and great endeavor and Will to Win. you've even seen them both recently, winning 4 of the NZ very top features over the last year as well between them. just a Sensational effort. (2 with LTF and 2 with GUS) that's the model needed there. if going to survive. people like Diamonds and Stonewall. Dixon or McMullen . getting the bridles on and the horses racing. Bring it on !!!