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well the 3rd place was different when used to seeing him win I guess. But the first 2 Placegetters last night in Vic Cup had good draws and have been in scintillating form themselves. I tipped Hi Mynameisjeff straight out on this thread above as has been going 1.49 lately , and he nearly stole the race but Kingman who also has been running big 1.53 wins ( 3 times lately over 2300m) and with Australia's best trainer driver was always going to be hard to beat. Luke McCarthy is a Mark Purdon 'clone' really. I hope Leap To Fame still goes to NZ. he would add some spice to the Cup , even though Republican Party looks like he deserves this Big win after several great runs over past year. (including the dominant 3200m stand Auckland Cup) the Interdominion type contests (Aus v NZ) are just so good as always. A highlight of the sport.

got off early ok . round to the death yet again. just takes a toll in the end. But Luke McCarthy is the best in Australia , like Mark P has been in NZ, so beat him easy in the end. KINGMAN is the King of the Victoria Cup this time round. Leap To Fame being a 6 year old stallion now , will be starting to get a bit cunning at times too soon. Republican Party would beat him in NZ Cup the way they are both running Currently.

there is so much to that , it involves chapters rather than sentences. the Pro's and Con's of Syndication. Kerr was a good con there in NZ . but an isolated case. Usually Micro shares involve people (micro-share holders) getting a Mass e-mail once a week , with a small video of the horse. " oh look here he/she is going out for a jog , coming along nicely" . This is even the case for the common 20 share horses. People are conned into that share because a 1/20th share gets your name in the Racebook. so they think they are real owner (who can make decisions regarding the horses career ) THEY CANNOT. it's a con. Of course the Galloping world is Full of such cases. But in harness , the horses are just not worth that much , and race for peanuts. 64 owners is ludicrous to be honest. Much much much better to syndicate horses to Family members and people you KNOW , and turn it into a fun family experience. Exactly what the great man Nigel Armstrong does there in NZ. is a much better experience. The syndicate manager can take care of the owners , and take care of the bill payments etc. and all the fun things involved in racing a horse can happen. I used to get my owners to come along Sundays and have Family photo's with their horses and take off em' for a grass pick and that . they loved it . A family pet almost. 150th of a 10th share ?? . with dozens of strangers ?? automatic bank deductions for costs ?? you've got to be kidding ?? if it has come to that for harness to survive NZ . no bloody way. At least TOP NZ harness men Tony Herlihy and Barry Purdon put their wives in with a share in a lot of their horses with family and friends , and do it properly to make it a fun experience , as opposed to a micro-shares money grab like the case on this thread.

Your post itself is aggressive enough. showing a few of the Pro's and Con's of micro-Syndicate racing. mainly the 'Con's'.😉 Having 62 owners involved in a matter of hours ? is enough room for error as it is. when you wouldn't know the history of those characters , while just trying to cover a few of Your 'Fees'. People don't get on that well Andrew. and the experience of racing is spose to be Fun. you only have to look at how they talk about , and to each other on these racing forums 🤣 dead-set nasty sometimes. Your Post today not very 'warm' either with people you don't even know lol. telling people they're talking shit lol. just the sort of thing likely to pop up in the faceless micro Syndication too 😆 I have a few Pro ideas that are and did work much better than silly Micro Syndication ever could . the ATC tried that sort of thing one time (ATC racing syndicates) and it failed. It's because it's a system with that many flaws you'd just put it in the CON bin.

The Canterbury Classic R10 at Addington tonight Oct 17th is the next step for some to see if will be competitive in a NZ Cup. Republican Party already qualified , and a threat here too, after his solid last start win. Perhaps Barry Purdon and Scott Phelan will show their hand tonight ? Sooner The Bettor and Merlin are ready to put their best foot forward tonight after great runs in the North going right handed lately. They look a great chance tonight from the good barrier draws. Meanwhile, At Melton in Victoria, the NZ Cup favourite LEAP TO FAME is in the Victoria Cup Saturday night. Surprisingly , the Cup holder and arch rival SWAYZEE is not in , after winning this race last year. Grimson having Hi MynameisJeff nz going lickety split from the 2 barrier instead , and will try and run them ragged. Victoria Cup is only 2240m and Leap To Fame is on the second line so will have to circle the field Mid-race. Hi MynameisJeff NZ has rattled off a couple of 1.49 miles lately at home in Menangle and is cherry ripe to go for the upset win over 'Larry' the QLD legend.

well it's an important topic Chief ? aren't we allowed to discuss it ? Has potential to overlap onto our Harness and racing industries in some form. ENTAIN help with NZ betting, and Ladbrokes (a Entain subsidary ) do QLD racing. Brodie has already complained on this site heaps of times that Entain will be cutting funding to NZ racing substancially after their first 5 years from taking over NZ TAB.?? you want to shrug it off ? or deflect to what the 'Banks' are doing ? I don't know what the Banks are doing regarding Laundering mate . BUT would say they have to deal with Money Laundering every day. You worry about it . I'm not. the local Aus/NZ ENTAIN CEO was DEan Shannon has been removed. Because when the 'alleged drug traffickers' came to light , 11 management personnel were removed and a new regime of tracking customer activities was introduced. this is Big action from the Company that controls NZ Betting ?? and worthy of discussion. Dean Shannon, who has assembled and sold betting companies through his career, A fine man who loved Harness racing and would of supported you ( i.e the Entain TAB NZ takeover) through tough times. But now is Gonski. (probably to Addington to see 'Merlin' run through the Spring and pick up some NZ dollars that way 😉) Austrac action is quite a BIG thing. and ongoing . so was just doing a Share price update for you. not ok ? Like Most companies , they blurb out which quarter of the year was 'Best' for them regarding growth and new investment. so a + 6% 3rd quarter you say was announced by them, while being totally impressed ? good for you Chief. But it's HISTORY now. we're in the 4th quarter mate. your 6% has disappeared again. Anyway Share Market isn't for amateurs . nor is horse racing really lol 😂 the quality of the competition in Australia and NZ is just too good , and so it's nearly always the 'Pro's ' who will win the money in the end. have a good week.

the Aus Federal case against Entain is still on-going. Recently Austrac did retract part of it's charge list against Entain which included dropping the allegation that Entain breached it's duties as a remittance provider. Mediation is on-going but never-the less the charges remaining are still quite serious. some of the 17 high risk customers that pushed millions of dollars through are alleged drug traffickers , so that doesn't sit well with anyone. Financing multi million dollar betting to criminals . Regarding the Share Price. Better SELL those shares guys 😆. it's heading South as we hit mid October. share price Beginning of year Price was about 700.00, bottomed out April at about 550.00 (for only a day or 2 ) , then climbed to a maximum 1,020.00 August, and now dropping daily is at 820.00 in mid October . Probably finish the year about where they started in Price at this rate. ? a good result 'considering' 😎.

hahaha yeah good stuff alright. I was watching Sideshow Bruce for Bob Butt . one of the favoured runners. Ran home well late getting past a mammoth 9 horses in the straight. and still Only got 8th lol. ? horse will be deemed to of 'went very well' though 😎 . a great 8th !!! you can keep the big fields and the 8th's that go with it 😉 . Along with 8 or 9 horses getting a ZERO next to their name after their day out racing in that race as well .😂 horses flattened getting a ZERO form line. only in New Zealand. 🇳🇿

The problem is with field sizes , how fast they go these days. The only ones to bet on , and that have the best chance these days , are the ones that burn early take a Sit and sprint hard to win . Is folly to bet on back markers. ( even at Royal Randwick they struggle these days ) We had Wine Light, Franscent , The Lazarus Effect, Wat Next and even John Dunn surprisingly taking a sit with Mighty Logan, in the Group 3 feature trot. ALL Five of these curled up nicely behind the leader at the half mile marker , and winning easily in the end. Addington last Friday. Marketplace failed from that position , but was beaten by an exceptionally gifted gelding, in the 3 year old feature The Backmarkers were NO CHANCE in those races. even at Addington on the Big track. I liked Oscar Bonavena (best trotter in NZ) , and Treacherous Baby (in the G2 Mares classic) as their trainer driver Mark Purdon is the GOAT in NZ. But they were still Near No chance even in the 12 horse fields. You're just too far back to be a chance or risk your dollars on. so like a lot of people You Don't End up Having a Bet. risk v reward . Both OscarB and Treacherous Baby stormed home for 4th, from near last at the quarter mile in their races last Friday. Fat lot of good that does for the 'everyday' punter? . just puts you off. 14-18 horse fields would mean heaps of losing horses and Consequently Heaps of losing punters. Much better idea would be to get 2 fields of 9 runners than one field of 18. you get 2 Winners. you get 2 trifecta's, you get 2 race pools (that would tally more than one pool would.) AND You get 2 races where EVERY runner has a chance of winning still at the half mile pole in a race (sadly lacking in a 12 horse + field these days) sure the tote divvie' might be smaller , but who is that greedy? , that they're rather see more losers than winners for the sake of a few extra dollars in a pool. The yanks know best and are the smartest as have run Full 8 horse fields for decades. Every runner , and therefore every Punter a winning Chance in Every Race. At QLD locals we just run 9-10 to give em' all a chance. excellent. and IMPORTANTLY , that keeps them in the harness game. ( by racing , owning or even Betting on horses )

spot on Mikey . Here's a great photo of him . beauty looking horse alright. and in his bright green silks you said, with CJ at the helm.

well we can only Hope they get the financial situation sorted out if it's that dire. I must say , I thought it was important to keep racing there so some of the locals could get a win . Away from the powerhouses of Barry Purdons, Tony H , Ray Green and Telfers . BUT was pleasantly surprised to see great success for the Cambridge Team tonight with not just Nicky Chilcott and Owen Gillies getting Auckland winners tonight , but David Butcher still a force with his 2 mid class horses who seem real nice ones , and Matty White's Stable too, still wins races at both venues as well. a fine horseman. (well done Monika on a driving double tonight too) So if your Cambridge does go belly up like the South Islanders seem to want, , then it's great to see the Cambridge Trainers can take it up to the Auckland Trainers ok anyway 👍🙂. 4 Wins tonight was pretty good. and fancy Barry driving a winner after all these years? 5 years out of the sulky. his first this decade I believe. on ya Barry 🏆🍻

yes . I can see you have a similar problem to Aus in keeping the 'location' clubs going. Victoria harness racing is in Massive debt because they keep All the areas open ( and no one bets on them much) so the NZ situation is not unique. Nor is recent . Hutt Park closed yonks ago for example. You have lost a lot of your old trainers ( as we did in QLD when Cairns, Townsville , Tweed/Gold Coast all closed ) over the years. not financially viable to keep them functioning with the operating costs. So they're GONE FOREVER from those Locations 😢. like you lost Hutt and Forbury Park and New Plymouth and therefore several trainers from those areas . Cambridge has kept some of your very last Central districts trainers going Dickson and Doody that are 2 left still getting a Cambridge winner . Berger now retired. and the hard working lasses of some like ( Chilcott and Donnelly and their great staff) are doing a wonderful job and getting winners still. They even try at Auckland occasionally, but it's too hard most of the time , against those expensive horses of Telfers, greens and Stockmans. It is all about LOCATION . yes. Tiz why QLD run Marburg ( and Redcliffe every week) all the slow horses get a go still Those stables (like Doody, Gillies, Teaz etc) are mini 'Businesses you know? they need somewhere to conduct their business . without flattening their runners against the BIG boys like Mikey thinks is the answer. best of luck to todays Cambridge Competitors. (still racing against the odds 🤣)

that sounds a great idea. And I see they do run some Amateur drivers races still (North and South) although even then the forums pick the standard of driving to bits then , and is still Not a betting product for them. So a non-win situation still in the end. HRNZ is the parent company. Parents try to look after their children. It's their job. they don't Care whether it's the North or the South. The HRNZ have computers you know ? and professional staff ? who assemble fields , and allocate the prizemoney (that is available for a WHOLE Season at a time) and try and look after All participants . They are a NATIONAL body. It's done by computer. you complaining blokes don't know better than a computer i'm sorry. I thought the Participants funding themselves in Slot races would be the answer (Millionaires) as seemed a way for the BEST horses of the 2 nations/or states to compete togeather for BIG Money 💰. and not break the annual funding budget . But i'm Wrong. The Slot race EUREKA run at Menangle last Month was a complete Joke for various reasons. and I've changed my mind . They are Not the answer. they only favour 'some'. too few in my opinion now. HRNZ will continue to find answers though. ( How to get the BEST horses competing in Great racing ) as well as supporting the 'Everyday trainer' Like today at CAMBRIDGE throughout the year. They do a great job of this and you Can't see it for some reason. Great racing all year round in NZ . ( as opposed to silly QLD with just one month of the BIG dollar racing , that is good to bet on ) and 11 months of the 'Everyday trainer' helping them races , that aren't worth betting on ) If you guys knew how Lucky you really are to have great racing like Tomorrow night , instead of whinging about it (and ratings , and HRNZ, and this and that all the time , you could enjoy yourselves more. 😉👍 Crying poor in the South Island is understandable I spose as you blokes still run so many horses, that only a few are returning a profit for their connections. All the North Island Stables are nearly all returning a profit currently. exactly what the sport needs to keep going. and HRNZ are not in charge of turnover?. This is up to the Betting Companies to have methods of attracting a punters' dollars. Personally I think it is a product that VERY FEW wins off. ( just the few at pundits at BOAY can , that have actually got some inside and accumalated knowledge about the sport) . Most others LOSE. so it doesn't worry me it's not a great betting product. No places in Aus have a Harness Betting product worth investing on these days either. The REAL PUNTERS are at the gallops or the Football .

Can't work Mikey .They definitely need 2 separate meetings with quite different stakes. (one cheap , one twice as much) This is because if you run $15,000 maidens 9or support races) at One meeting they will be dominated by Ray Green , and the Telfers and anyone like them that breeds and buys the expensive horses. they will chase the better prizemoney. At Cambridge for $8000 per race, they enter Way less horses and in recent weeks you see trainers Susan Branch, Owen Gillies (2 wins last week) and folk like that winning races. they're not a hope in hell of even running a place against the outstanding trainers that race on Friday nights at Alexandra Park. They have to stay separate. (Location) you can be sure some of the BIG stables would find something to pop in your lesser lights race for 8 or 9 if on the same program as your 15 k one. The battler (Doody, Chilcott , etc) would get NO wins . (and it would be like the South Island lol 😂)

Well it's sustainable if they run for less money. The races are worth $8000 each this week . just make them go 4 or 5 thousand them if you're short of money. surely you (HRNZ) can come up with $45,000 to pay a whole race meeting anyway ? Tasmania can even do that lol 🤣. that's just 2 Dunn horses training fees for the whole year lol. shouldn't damage too much 😉😎 Thought you had funding from Entain? . We do/are in Queensland. and can run 6 meetings a week for 450 horses in race training. Sponsored by Ladbrokes. (a subsidiary of Entain ) every horse gets a go. Just send the lower class horses around for less bucks then ?. Mind you , you blokes had Leap To Fame and Don Hugo compete at Cambridge this year and still didn't get excited. I can understand that in a way, as is better for NZ harness if a local can Win your feature races. But still they got to run the best 2 horses in the Southern Hemisphere there , so must be doing something right. and you still want it shut down . because the races have no third dividend ? what a Poor reason. take a trifecta then? . you need 3rd for that and trifecta's are paying well there still. Change your ways and support the sport. I guess it's like bashing my head into a wall like , trying to get Collingwood supporters to support Carlton. 😂😎 Never mind . I hope CAMBRIDGE continue to race for years to come , after 100 years of fine trotting tradition. That means nothing to you guys because there's no 3rd dividend 😅🤣 and is Not in the bloody South Island . 😂 go play marbles then.