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Cambridge Trials Cancelled....wheels fallen off?


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Its coming into Summer now so trainers will start looking for grass track options (te awamutu next tuesday) for trials and races

 

The Synthetic track has proven it's worth this year. Alot of race and trial meetings run there that would have otherwise been abandoned.

It's not the answer to all of racings problems but it's a great facility to have during winter and certainly was a great assist this year. 

(And this is coming from someone who questioned do we really need a synthetic track when the idea was first mooted.)

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3 hours ago, Jim Green said:

The Synthetic track has proven it's worth this year. Alot of race and trial meetings run there that would have otherwise been abandoned.

It's not the answer to all of racings problems but it's a great facility to have during winter and certainly was a great assist this year. 

Is there enough activity for it to pay its way?

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Where are you without it?

 

Trials cancelled,races off,clubs not wanting to run trials because they want to save their course proper for the races etc

Where do the Cambridge trainers of which there are many gallop their horses?

They tell me they have weekly jumpouts on it.

The plough is out all winter as it's more akin to a mud wresting ring leaving only the sand that is terrible on the horses feet or the grass which becomes like Swiss cheese with to much traffic on it. Can't be good for the horses legs. Horse go sore,go out for a spell,horses don't handle a wet track they go out for a spell.

So having this synthetic option surely keeps more horses in work over the winter period which has to be a good thing for all.

Does it pay for itself as a race day venue? I couldn't tell you. Don't have access to those figures.

But looking at the overall picture I think it plays a vital roll. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Jim Green said:

Where are you without it?

 

Trials cancelled,races off,clubs not wanting to run trials because they want to save their course proper for the races etc

Where do the Cambridge trainers of which there are many gallop their horses?

They tell me they have weekly jumpouts on it.

The plough is out all winter as it's more akin to a mud wresting ring leaving only the sand that is terrible on the horses feet or the grass which becomes like Swiss cheese with to much traffic on it. Can't be good for the horses legs. Horse go sore,go out for a spell,horses don't handle a wet track they go out for a spell.

So having this synthetic option surely keeps more horses in work over the winter period which has to be a good thing for all.

Does it pay for itself as a race day venue? I couldn't tell you. Don't have access to those figures.

But looking at the overall picture I think it plays a vital roll. 

 

Well Cambridge of any of the three AWT's has the best chance of paying its way.

However judging by the OZ experience their usefulness is limited.

As you said trainers are looking to grass tracks now even though officially we haven't started Spring.

Noticeable that recent big trial days have been on grass e.g. Te Rapa on the 1st.  Between races at Taupo and I imagine Te Awamutu will be big next Tuesday.

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For what it's worth - my two cents of opinion.

Firstly, no NZ race day ' pays for itself '  or 'covers its costs', however one wishes to phrase it.

To that end, the AWT's will be in the same boat - except that it wasn't industry money, for the most past, that set them up.

Yes, they provide somewhere consistent for work, that has to be a positive.   However, not all horses like - or can cope - with the surface.    Some cannot even manage being worked on the surface, and, here, locally, a magnificent training facility has been very harshly modified with the construction of the AWT.   Now, training options are very severely reduced.

The policy seems to be to close down quite functional grass tracks to 'justify' the things, those horses are badly served indeed.   

The closing down of tracks, in itself, increases the pressure on the remaining ones so of course you are going to see those reluctant to run trials, they don't want their grass hammered.

Cambridge has excellent facilities quite apart from the AWT, and there are still plenty of grass tracks left in the Waikato.  The CD seems to have been poorly served in that respect, with closures, and years of under-investment in upkeep coming back to bite many - and those clubs, in the main, can't be held totally responsible for that under-investment.  Policies designed to deprive them of their turnover share [ and I'm going back decades here ] in favour of the bigger clubs has left many struggling - and then the finger is pointed at them.

Here, in Canterbury, the closure of one excellent facility in particular has deprived locals of a very good trials track.   The AWT does take up some slack in that area but, as the Chief alluded, the large entries at the remaining grass trial facility shows clearly what the preferred option is for most.

As for Cambridge - with the huge number of horses in training in the Waikato, to have to abandon a trials day through insufficient entries shows very strongly the opinion of most trainers there too.

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2 hours ago, Freda said:

Firstly, no NZ race day ' pays for itself '  or 'covers its costs', however one wishes to phrase it.

 

Really?  What is the point then of being in this business then?

I don't actually agree as many Clubs run their business at a profit.  Sure some of those have volunteers and diverse income streams that help.

2 hours ago, Freda said:

As for Cambridge - with the huge number of horses in training in the Waikato, to have to abandon a trials day through insufficient entries shows very strongly the opinion of most trainers there too.

That's my point.  Cambridge could have funded the AWT themselves - the PGF and the industry funded most of it instead.  With over 1,200 horses in work at Cambridge they can't get sufficient numbers to run trials then that is a clear sign that trainers don't want to race on the AWT surfaces.  Australia has worked that out.

Sure a useful tool in the winter but that doesn't stop clubs like Matamata still operating during the winter.  

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3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Really?  What is the point then of being in this business then?

I don't actually agree as many Clubs run their business at a profit.  Sure some of those have volunteers and diverse income streams that help.

 

Some clubs may do.  Don't forget stakes are bulk-funded, clubs don't have to find the money themselves.  However the income 'earned' per medium of race turnover doesn't cover the stake money.   Any surplus comes from non-NZ racing sources, and now - Entain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Really?  What is the point then of being in this business then?

I don't actually agree as many Clubs run their business at a profit.  Sure some of those have volunteers and diverse income streams that help.

Some clubs do but they certainly don't stay in business from racedays for the most part. Industry days are lucky to cover costs for most clubs, as the likes of Reefton I'm sure will tell you. And if they do it is the outside income from pokies, overseas racing etc. that allows NZTR to sufficiently fund clubs to run them. They are not fully funded by the revenue that they generate directly from wagering. Doubt there is a race day in NZ that is anymore.

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On 26/08/2023 at 2:05 PM, curious said:

Some clubs do but they certainly don't stay in business from racedays for the most part. Industry days are lucky to cover costs for most clubs, as the likes of Reefton I'm sure will tell you. And if they do it is the outside income from pokies, overseas racing etc. that allows NZTR to sufficiently fund clubs to run them. They are not fully funded by the revenue that they generate directly from wagering. Doubt there is a race day in NZ that is anymore.

Its an interesting one really

Our cancellation would probably have put us out of business but for NZTR's recognition that there was no track issue and subsequent full payment of our meeting fees.  Frustrating thing about that of course is that clearly  NZTR knows, the likes of Michael Pitman David Walsh Jim Walker Mouse McCann and Max Skelton know but the RIB, clearly knowing not one thing about racing, continue to insist they were right.  There is none so blind as he who will not see.  It isn't like Clement in his days with the NZ police force where they could pick the evidence to suit their argument or they could withhold evidence that might be useful to the defence.  The facts of this case are there as plain as day to everyone and yet this guy continues to blindly argue that Oatham is right and we are wrong while the Minister washes his hands of the matter.  I don't think even Monty Python would come up with a sketch as silly as that

We generally manage a profit simply because of volunteer work, a desirable time of year to race. the novelty of being a one day Club and the only Thoroughbred race meeting in the province (and the Northern South Island for that matter).  And we keep our raceday process as simple as possible - contract out the bars and the catering and keep our staffing to the minimum.  Oh and the generous sponsorship/donations of our many long term race name supporters.

But as I constantly say - the thing we will go broke on is enthusiasm not financially(unless Oatham strikes again!).  And that, after many months smashing my head against a brick wall, is where I now find myself.  No more enthusiasm, no more motivation and a rapidly waning interest(might have watched on e race a week this winter unless I am in the local on Friday night and then I won't bet unless someone wants to take easybets or something in a group).

Its a great game this full of great people and great characters but gee it is being ridden into the ground and that's pretty bloody depressing

 

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, Reefton said:

 

Its a great game this full of great people and great characters but gee it is being ridden into the ground and that's pretty bloody depressing

 

 

 

 

Five years of guaranteed stake money;  get in now, try not to get depressed with management in the interim.     Whatever happens after that, the industry, whether the better for the intervention, or worse because of inept direction, will bear little resemblance to the one most of us grew up to work or participate in, in some respect - and love.

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48 minutes ago, Freda said:

Five years of guaranteed stake money;  get in now, try not to get depressed with management in the interim.     Whatever happens after that, the industry, whether the better for the intervention, or worse because of inept direction, will bear little resemblance to the one most of us grew up to work or participate in, in some respect - and love.

Assuming that Entain globally makes good profits to sustain NZ losses.  Also that there is no backout clause with TABNZ. 

 

 

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