Tokyo Tycoon - 2 yr old of the year. Controversial?

[Huey]

What a farce !

 

Champion Two-Year-Old: Tokyo Tycoon (45)
Other finalists: Ulanova (11), Pignan (2), Trobriand (1), Zourion

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, Huey said:

Tokyo Tycoon winning champion 2yo , if this is true that makes racing in this country a huge joke!

 

2 hours ago, Huey said:

What a farce !

 

Champion Two-Year-Old: Tokyo Tycoon (45)
Other finalists: Ulanova (11), Pignan (2), Trobriand (1), Zourion

Why a farce?  Joke?

[Huey]

2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

 

Why a farce?  Joke?

I can't remember it winning a G1 surely the Sires winner or Diamond winner shd be 2yo of year 

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, Huey said:

I can't remember it winning a G1 surely the Sires winner or Diamond winner shd be 2yo of year 

There is nothing in the rules to say it had to win a Grp 1.  45 voted for Tokyo Tycoon.

Unbeaten in 5 - sure unfortunately disqualified from one.

Won its races easily.  The Karaka Million win was incredible.  How it got off the ground to win like this:

 

[nod]

Unfortunately disqualifed ?

Get real -the horse was doped

Just like a stablemate with bute

Human error -lol

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, nod said:

Unfortunately disqualifed ?

Get real -the horse was doped

Just like a stablemate with bute

Human error -lol

That's what the Feds decided.  No trainer in their right mind would think they'd get away with it. 

[Doomed]

As far back as I can remember the 2yo of the year has always won at least one group 1 race and sometimes two. Usually one of the two NZ group ones, but occasionally an Aussie group 1.

This is a major and extreme departure from the normal process. Some people don't seem to understand the significance of this. It means that Karaka restricted entry race now has more relevance than the group race pattern. If it is generally accepted that this is now reality then why not get rid of the group pattern altogether? What relevance does it have going forward?

As it stands, the best 3yo male and filly probably won't contest either of the Riccarton Guineas races, preferring to go for the bigger Karaka money. This is perfectly understandable as they are owned by syndicates and group status means nothing to big syndicates. But again, why have a group pattern?

I genuinely expected with all the money Entain was throwing around that the two Riccarton races would probably go to $1m and $750,000. Interestingly they didn't go up much at all and an extra $500,000 went into the Karaka race instead. You cannot tell me that they aren't trying to destroy the Riccarton races altogether, or at least get them moved north. 

Interesting times. Certainly not the NZ racing industry that I remember, and I quickly find myself losing interest. Obviously us traditionalists aren't really valued or needed anymore, which is all good. They are entitled to that approach. I hope it works out well for them.

 

[holy ravioli]

7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

That's what the Feds decided.  No trainer in their right mind would think they'd get away with it. 

So  who doped it....?

[Chief Stipe]

11 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

So  who doped it....?

Dickhead.  You know full well it was ruled by the Feds an error in administration by a staff member.

[holy ravioli]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Dickhead.  You know full well it was ruled by the Feds an error in administration by a staff member.

Not a young,junior staffer...I hope.😀

[Chief Stipe]

10 hours ago, holy ravioli said:

Not a young,junior staffer...I hope.😀

Probably was and unlike yourself no doubt the stable systems have improved and the individual has learnt something from their error.

However back to the topic - Tokyo Tycoon was easily the best 2 yr old in NZ last season.  

The debate on Group pattern and Group status is valid.  But the demise of Group status in New Zealand relates not to whether the horse that wins a category won a Group 1 but the lack of quality in those Group races.  The HOTY awards are just gongs - nothing more.

Any serious thoroughbred breeder or student of the game would look at the status of the Group wins and the individual rating of the horses not the gong.

Tokyo Tycoons performance in the Karaka Million was exceptional.

[holy ravioli]

Tokyo Tycoon is a gelding.Grp1 wins are important for stallion prospects if you want to bring up serious ,thoroughbred breeding,considerations.

[Chief Stipe]

16 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Tokyo Tycoon is a gelding.Grp1 wins are important for stallion prospects if you want to bring up serious ,thoroughbred breeding,considerations.

Obviously you were an only child. 

[holy ravioli]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Obviously you were an only child. 

?

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Obviously you were an only child. 

 

14 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

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Black type on a Broodmare's pedigree is very valuable.  Try getting into the top sales without it.  The more a mare has the more residual value she has even more so if some of the black type is her own.

[holy ravioli]

49 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

 

Black type on a Broodmare's pedigree is very valuable.  Try getting into the top sales without it.  The more a mare has the more residual value she has even more so if some of the black type is her own.

So you agree that Grp wins are important...then.🙃

[Chief Stipe]

48 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

So you agree that Grp wins are important...then.🙃

Where did I say they weren't important?  However there are Group wins and then there are Group wins.  An OZ Group in my opinion holds more weight than an NZ one.  In theory it shouldn't but it does.

[holy ravioli]

7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Where did I say they weren't important?  However there are Group wins and then there are Group wins.  An OZ Group in my opinion holds more weight than an NZ one.  In theory it shouldn't but it does.

Please refer to Doomed 's earlier post.

[Chief Stipe]

51 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Please refer to Doomed 's earlier post.

I'm not Doomed.

[Doomed]

10 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

I'm not Doomed.

Doomed is probably slightly better looking.

Someone actually voted for Tokyo to be overall horse of the year. A group 3 winner who never left the country over horses who won group 1s in Aussie. It does make you wonder what the qualifications are to be on the voting panel.

[holy ravioli]

11 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

I'm not Doomed.

Are you an...impressionist?😀

[Chief Stipe]

3 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Are you an...impressionist?😀

Wrong again.  Are you going to get back on Topic?