Imperatriz tackles the Manikato

[Chief Stipe]

22 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

My mistake....trainers.Who are they if you don't mind me asking?

Irrelevant.  The question is when does the thoroughbred stop growing?  

 

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9 hours ago, curious said:

That article is unsubstantiated and ridiculous. It says horses reach 90% of their mature height at 2. So a 16hh 2yo is going to grow another 6"? Hahaha. Very funny.

Is this article more relevant?  From Kentucky Equine Research.  Maximum Bone Mineralisation doesn't occur until age 6.

https://ker.com/equinews/principles-of-bone-development-in-horses1/

 

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Although the growth rate in horses varies somewhat by breed, most horses do not reach full physical maturity until around six years of age, with larger breeds like draft horses still growing until eight years of age. A two-year-old horse is an adolescent; it has reached approximately 97% of its mature height by 22 months but critically, its bones will not fully fuse for another four years. 

[holy ravioli]

34 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Why would it be a Te Akau charade?  The whole The Everest concept is a marketing charade!  Don't you understand that?  Te Akau haven't been promoting Imperatriz's involvement in the Everest.  Every sponsor, NSW Racing, Journalist, Bookie and fans such as yourself have been promoting the "charade!!!!

Te Akau's Racing Manager and Trainer have been consistent with their messaging around Imperatriz taking a slot in the race.  You and others with a vested interest have continued with the intrigue.

I'm not even sure you understand how the concept of The Everest works.  Let's make is simple for you to understand:

If Imperatriz was to secure a slot one of the following would have had to happen:

1. Te Akau had paid $2.1 million to acquire a slot (assuming one was available).  That's the up front cost at $700k per year.  TA then decided that Imperatriz was their best option for the race and entered;
2. Te Akau leased a slot for this year's race from an existing slot holder - e.g. presumably the EntainNZ approach where they leased from Inglis.  I would imagine the cost would be greater than $700k as Inglis like any slot holder would be keen to get a return on their investment and leasing the slot (depending on agreed T's and C's) would mean no return if the horse won;
3. An existing slot holder negotiated with Te Akau to race in their slot e.g. Coolmore or Yulong.  Now that would involve a negotiation over how the stakes were shared - again a business decision would be made and the slot holder would be expecting a return that mitigates their risk.  They have to run first or second in one of the three years to get a return.  So I imagine the share taken by the slot holder would be $1m minimum.  The share could be a fixed amount or a percentage;
4. Further to 3 above the deal may have been sweetened in various ways -
   • Coolmore could have offered lifetime stallion services for Imperatriz;
   • Yulong could have offered to buy Imperatriz prior to the race.

Plus any number of variations of the above.

At the end of the day Te Akau have obviously done what they feel is right for the horse at this stage of her career.  Next season could well be her last and if her form continues I imagine they may entertain running in The Everest.  However if she wins the Manikato that will give her 3 OZ Group 1 wins and 7 in total.  I would say her residual value is already high up on the following list and in the $4m mark.  Her dam sold for AUD$1.8m at the Inglis Sale in May this year.

 

 

Why is Imperatriz still quoted $4.50 for the Everest(douibtful starter).?

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2 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Why is Imperatriz still quoted $4.50 for the Everest(douibtful starter).?

Entain trying to offset their liability on I Wish I Win?  Still the Yulong slot available.

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31 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Entain trying to offset their liability on I Wish I Win?  Still the Yulong slot available.

Whose responsibility is it to scratch a ...horse from a race?

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7 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Whose responsibility is it to scratch a ...horse from a race?

It isn't final field is it?  So how can you scratch it?  It is a futures market. 

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3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

It isn't final field is it?  So how can you scratch it?  It is a futures market. 

You're right.

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14 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

You're right.

Ozzmosis might be the go for Yulong Investments.  An unbeaten Zoustar colt.  But a big ask.

I see Tokyo Tycoon is still in the OZ TAB market!!!!

[curious]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Although the growth rate in horses varies somewhat by breed, most horses do not reach full physical maturity until around six years of age, with larger breeds like draft horses still growing until eight years of age. A two-year-old horse is an adolescent; it has reached approximately 97% of its mature height by 22 months but critically, its bones will not fully fuse for another four years. 

That makes a bit more sense. Still think nearly 2" from 2yo is a bit of a stretch for faster maturing breeds like thoroughbreds but it does say this varies somewhat by breed.

[curious]

1 hour ago, holy ravioli said:

You're right.

Could officially withdraw it though?

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39 minutes ago, curious said:

Could officially withdraw it though?

Just like the other 20 odd still in the market?

At least it has doubtful beside its odds!

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30 minutes ago, curious said:

That makes a bit more sense. Still think nearly 2" from 2yo is a bit of a stretch for faster maturing breeds like thoroughbreds but it does say this varies somewhat by breed.

Interesting the different bone maturity rates too.

[Freda]

2 hours ago, curious said:

That makes a bit more sense. Still think nearly 2" from 2yo is a bit of a stretch for faster maturing breeds like thoroughbreds but it does say this varies somewhat by breed.

I would accept 2" from 2yo.

In some cases anyway.

I have found all sorts of scenarios,  but some very poorly-done babies can struggle to attain the height their genes allow.

They can take literally years to catch up.

[Gammalite]

4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

It isn't final field is it?  So how can you scratch it?  It is a futures market. 

I guess Imperatriz is still sound and everyone knows is a 'Chance' if did start in that Everest slot .

so with the exposure about her racing schedule being often discussed and the Manikato the target,  it is unlikely the bets would go on her in the Everest from anyone.... so no harm leaving her in the market until Final acceptances ?.

The Nz trotting Cup is way worse . The double winner and current Nz Cup champion 'Copy That' has a knee injury and won't be starting. But is still in the Future markets .(sportsbet anyway) had the odds turned out to 9-1 (so they know something is amiss) to sucker punch a few dollars out of a few 'lucky customers' (well the opposite of this is the reality)  who were thinking they were going to get a good price from the champ. and haven't heard about the horse not going to defend the Cup crown now,  Just a poor money grab from them (bookies) ?. appalling really . I doubt they refund injuries horses. too hard to calculate the fraud that goes with that territory.

 

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22 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Ozzmosis might be the go for Yulong Investments.  An unbeaten Zoustar colt.  But a big ask.

I see Tokyo Tycoon is still in the OZ TAB market!!!!

Seems Ozzmosis won't be tackling the Everest.