Animal Welfare Underpins Everything We Do

[Yankiwi]

Annual report is out.

https://www.grnz.co.nz/Files/Advisories/GRNZ Annual Report 2023 FINAL.pdf

 

I'm not so sure claiming this...

 

...and then a few pages later reporting this...

 

 

...supports the claim very well.

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, Yankiwi said:

.and then a few pages later reporting this...

 

 

...supports the claim very well.

0.05%  - hardly earth shattering statistics.

[Yankiwi]

Considering one positive swab (Waretini) produced two individual charges (Lisa & Alysha), what happened to the other 4 positive swabs recorded?

[Chief Stipe]

3 minutes ago, Yankiwi said:

Considering one positive swab (Waretini) produced two individual charges (Lisa & Alysha), what happened to the other 4 positive swabs recorded?

So that takes it up to 0.15%.

So the real issue for you isn't dog welfare overall but the other 4 positives?  

[Yankiwi]

8 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

So that takes it up to 0.15%.

So the real issue for you isn't dog welfare overall but the other 4 positives?  

I suppose I should consider the RIB and GRNZ ignoring positive swabs which breach the rules as a good thing.

Therapeutic cobalt, arsenic & who knows what else underpinning the welfare of the dogs.

Got it.

[Chief Stipe]

13 hours ago, Yankiwi said:

I suppose I should consider the RIB and GRNZ ignoring positive swabs which breach the rules as a good thing.

Therapeutic cobalt, arsenic & who knows what else underpinning the welfare of the dogs.

Got it.

How do you know they ignored them?  All you know is charges weren't laid.  Could be any number of reasons for that.

Where do you get the cobalt and arsenic theory from?

[BitofaLegend]

8 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

How do you know they ignored them?  All you know is charges weren't laid.  Could be any number of reasons for that.

Where do you get the cobalt and arsenic theory from?

Oregans had a cobalt reading that was over the limits and was mentioned in a desd animal case

[Yankiwi]

11 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

How do you know they ignored them?  All you know is charges weren't laid.  Could be any number of reasons for that.

Where do you get the cobalt and arsenic theory from?

Cobalt

https://racingintegrityboard.org.nz/decisions/non-raceday-inquiry-reserved-penalty-decision-dated-23-december-2022-ronald-oregan-and-nyomi-oregan/

 

Arsenic

https://racingintegrityboard.org.nz/decisions/non-raceday-request-for-a-ruling-written-decision-dated-26-january-2023-teeing-off/

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Yankiwi said:

Arsenic

https://racingintegrityboard.org.nz/decisions/non-raceday-request-for-a-ruling-written-decision-dated-26-january-2023-teeing-off/

Here is the charge and penalty.

https://racingintegrityboard.org.nz/decisions/non-raceday-inquiry-decision-dated-3-april-2023-chloe-watson/

[Yankiwi]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Here is the charge and penalty.

https://racingintegrityboard.org.nz/decisions/non-raceday-inquiry-decision-dated-3-april-2023-chloe-watson/

If so, that would make it 3 charges laid, not the two the GRNZ report claims, right?

[Chief Stipe]

9 hours ago, Yankiwi said:

If so, that would make it 3 charges laid, not the two the GRNZ report claims, right?

You're trying to turn a nit's turd into a mountain.  6 cases out of 3815.  I think all of them were environmental contamination.  Certainly the Chloe Watson case was.  The source of the arsenic was determined to have come from the wood the kennel floor was made of.  As it said in the judgement (which I doubt you read) arsenic is a stopper not a performance enhancer.

[Yankiwi]

Maybe I misunderstand the GRNZ requirements.

Animal welfare only matters when something is done to a greyhound deliberately. There is no requirement for a trainer to keep their dogs out of harm's way.

I suppose the RIU/RIB check trainer's vehicles/trailers for warrants/registrations & hand out fines when they're out of date because they are nosey.

Got it.

 

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, Yankiwi said:

Maybe I misunderstand the GRNZ requirements.

Yes I believe you have.

2 hours ago, Yankiwi said:

Animal welfare only matters when something is done to a greyhound deliberately.

As it stands at the moment that isn't the case.  However, perhaps it should be the case as that would eliminate the need for investigations and the determination of the intent of the licensed trainer.  Although that would probably end racing in NZ.

2 hours ago, Yankiwi said:

There is no requirement for a trainer to keep their dogs out of harm's way.

Yes - all reasonable steps however it is impossible to prevent drug positives caused by environmental contamination unless you implement a completely closed system in NZ.  That would be also lead to the end of racing in NZ as we know it.  A closed system is one like thoroughbred racing in Hong Kong.  Everything is controlled.

2 hours ago, Yankiwi said:

I suppose the RIU/RIB check trainer's vehicles/trailers for warrants/registrations & hand out fines when they're out of date because they are nosey.

Do they check vehicle warrants?  Do they clip the infringement fine ticket?  I doubt their jurisdiction runs that far.  Did you get caught Chazza?

2 hours ago, Yankiwi said:

Got it.

No unfortunately you don't get it.

The discrepancy in the positives vs charges laid is a factor of what the RIB could convict on and timing of the annual report.  GRNZ has no visibility of where the RIB is at with their investigations although there is evidence that the RIB has a few leaks which it feeds when it suits.  

[BitofaLegend]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Yes I believe you have.

As it stands at the moment that isn't the case.  However, perhaps it should be the case as that would eliminate the need for investigations and the determination of the intent of the licensed trainer.  Although that would probably end racing in NZ.

Yes - all reasonable steps however it is impossible to prevent drug positives caused by environmental contamination unless you implement a completely closed system in NZ.  That would be also lead to the end of racing in NZ as we know it.  A closed system is one like thoroughbred racing in Hong Kong.  Everything is controlled.

Do they check vehicle warrants?  Do they clip the infringement fine ticket?  I doubt their jurisdiction runs that far.  Did you get caught Chazza?

No unfortunately you don't get it.

The discrepancy in the positives vs charges laid is a factor of what the RIB could convict on and timing of the annual report.  GRNZ has no visibility of where the RIB is at with their investigations although there is evidence that the RIB has a few leaks which it feeds when it suits.  

Fyi they do check vehicle warrants and if its not up to scratch, they will give you a warning and fine and if it isnt up to scratch next meeting, scratch your dogs and probably judiciary meeting. A few people have not been allowed to race because of it for weeks on end

[Chief Stipe]

39 minutes ago, BitofaLegend said:

Fyi they do check vehicle warrants and if its not up to scratch, they will give you a warning and fine and if it isnt up to scratch next meeting, scratch your dogs and probably judiciary meeting. A few people have not been allowed to race because of it for weeks on end

Under what rule?  For how long have they been doing that?

[BitofaLegend]

11 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Under what rule?  For how long have they been doing that?

Standard 6 of the Greyhound Animal Welfare standards.

Vehicles that dont have an up to date warrant and rego are considered unsafe for transport of animals.

Animal welfare act also states vehicles need to be up to current wof standards so really, its an animal welfare problem if anyone in any code is traveling around with an animal in a unwarranted or unregistered car

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, BitofaLegend said:

Animal welfare act also states vehicles need to be up to current wof standards so really, its an animal welfare problem if anyone in any code is traveling around with an animal in a unwarranted or unregistered car

You're kidding me?  I would have thought that the driver's welfare would be paramount.  

Where in the Animal Welfare Act does it refer to having a warrant or rego?  

Some bureaucrat with an agenda has probably dreamed up the interpretation.  Here's the clause relating to transport:

22Transport of animals

(1)

Every person in charge of a vehicle or an aircraft, and the master of or, if there is no master, the person in charge of, a ship, being a vehicle, aircraft, or ship in or on which an animal is being transported, must ensure—

(a)

that the welfare of the animal is properly attended to; and

(b)

that, in particular, the animal—

(i)

is provided with reasonably comfortable and secure accommodation; and

(ii)

is supplied with proper and sufficient food and water.

(2)

A person commits an offence who fails, without reasonable excuse, to comply with any provision of subsection (1).

23Other offences in relation to transport of animals, etc

(1)

A person commits an offence who, without reasonable excuse, confines or transports an animal in a manner or position that causes the animal unreasonable or unnecessary pain or distress.

(2)

A person commits an offence who, being the owner of, or the person in charge of, an animal, permits that animal, without reasonable excuse,—

(a)

to be driven or led on a road; or

(b)

to be ridden; or

(c)

to be transported in or on a vehicle, an aircraft, or a ship,—

while the condition or health of that animal is such as to render it unfit to be so driven, led, ridden, or transported.

[Yankiwi]

I guess you didn't do your homework Chief.

Here's the abridged version.

https://www.grnz.co.nz/Files/Rules and Policies/Greyhound Welfare Standards 2023 WEB.pdf

[Chief Stipe]

7 minutes ago, Yankiwi said:

I guess you didn't do your homework Chief.

Here's the abridged version.

https://www.grnz.co.nz/Files/Rules and Policies/Greyhound Welfare Standards 2023 WEB.pdf

But that isn't what the Act says.

[Yankiwi]

3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

But that isn't what the Act says.

It's what the GRNZ code of welfare says.

Isn't that what the RIB are meant to police?

[Chief Stipe]

10 minutes ago, Yankiwi said:

It's what the GRNZ code of welfare says.

Isn't that what the RIB are meant to police?

To achieve what?  That's where it's all stuffed up.  Do you really want to direct your resources to check car rego's or something more important?  I'm sure you get off on counting inane stats.  

[Yankiwi]

21 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

To achieve what?  That's where it's all stuffed up.  Do you really want to direct your resources to check car rego's or something more important?  I'm sure you get off on counting inane stats.  

Look, I didn't write the code, nor did I have any input into the writing of the code.

On another note, why haven't GRNZ welcomed their new board member & thanked the ousted member for their exemplary service?