Gammalite Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 The harness racing doesn't need violent acts covered up. Haul them out and say please explain? Leading trainer Jason Grimson had an incident at Albion Park with kiwi lad Jack Trainor joining in , after a confrontation with JDowney . originally all DQed and warned off until a penalty review saw fines of 15k, 10k and 5k imposed. The Tassie lads were all given Fines and time off from the Ford family , and the Hillier brothers and Grant Hodges. All very prominant trainers and drivers. fighting Of Course Brodie , there's Always Extenuating circumstances and often Alcohol involved too in all these violent incidents. A poor excuse as usual. There Is No room for this behaviour in harness racing. History of bad behaviour should be punished double and we should talk about it . Might help them see the light if People comment it is UNACCEPTABLE rather than saying ..oh he needs help and support. needs removing if Repeat offenders . (like the drink driver bloke) An owner here threatened a steward once with violence of some kind (his horse not getting a favourable stewards decision) and is the worse I seen. He was removed and told "Don't come back on course ever" and he didn't even do anything . just said stuff . No violent act.. but Plenty of time now to go get 'support' he needs for violent outbursts/threats anyway 😆 . There's no excuse for that sort of behaviour. so just Like that drink driver , definitely don't ignore it . things get awful sometimes (like domestic abuse in relationships) when the person isn't called out and punished or removed for bullying/ violence/ abuse/etc . Get away with it once they just do it again at another stage .... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 8 hours ago, Gammalite said: The harness racing doesn't need violent acts covered up. Haul them out and say please explain? Leading trainer Jason Grimson had an incident at Albion Park with kiwi lad Jack Trainor joining in , after a confrontation with JDowney . originally all DQed and warned off until a penalty review saw fines of 15k, 10k and 5k imposed. The Tassie lads were all given Fines and time off from the Ford family , and the Hillier brothers and Grant Hodges. All very prominant trainers and drivers. fighting Of Course Brodie , there's Always Extenuating circumstances and often Alcohol involved too in all these violent incidents. A poor excuse as usual. There Is No room for this behaviour in harness racing. History of bad behaviour should be punished double and we should talk about it . Might help them see the light if People comment it is UNACCEPTABLE rather than saying ..oh he needs help and support. needs removing if Repeat offenders . (like the drink driver bloke) An owner here threatened a steward once with violence of some kind (his horse not getting a favourable stewards decision) and is the worse I seen. He was removed and told "Don't come back on course ever" and he didn't even do anything . just said stuff . No violent act.. but Plenty of time now to go get 'support' he needs for violent outbursts/threats anyway 😆 . There's no excuse for that sort of behaviour. so just Like that drink driver , definitely don't ignore it . things get awful sometimes (like domestic abuse in relationships) when the person isn't called out and punished or removed for bullying/ violence/ abuse/etc . Get away with it once they just do it again at another stage .... Well said Gammalite. I know who the two people involved are but don't know the circumstances so will make no comment about the incident. I'd normally add the word "alleged" but there is no dispute that a reasonably serious incident occurred. As an aside, it's been my experience that we all have a modus operandi on how we deal with things, including potential conflict. Most of us are articulate enough and can easily communicate our perspective without resorting to violence or threats of violence. There are times where that just won't get the job done. The other party is overly aggressive and is not capable or interested in robust debate. Alcohol is usually involved in those cases and or a power imbalance exists between the two people. The aggressor knows they can take the other person out and the "victim" is already back peddling and is unable or unwilling to flee. The aggressor in such circumstances needs to have a meaningful consequence to correct their conduct -modus operandi. That consequence can be loss of reputation or employment, loss of liberty or even getting toweled up themselves by someone going into bat for the "victim". ...or of course, serious reflection via education. If these consequences don't eventuate the aggressor will likely just keep resorting to their usual method of operation. When incidents occur, the opportunity to learn and evolve from them should never be missed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 As I say, I reaffirm that we should not be discussing this event on here! I reaffirm that I dont condone violence, but to continue to harangue someone on a public forum without knowing any background and what happened js just not cricket. No I dont need anyone to publicly mention it on BOAY either! The BS with Operation Inca is an example of other people being vilified over several years at huge cost financially and mentally. Time to give this a rest as dont think anyone needs their dirty laundry aired!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 11 minutes ago, Brodie said: As I say, I reaffirm that we should not be discussing this event on here! I reaffirm that I dont condone violence, but to continue to harangue someone on a public forum without knowing any background and what happened js just not cricket. No I dont need anyone to publicly mention it on BOAY either! The BS with Operation Inca is an example of other people being vilified over several years at huge cost financially and mentally. Time to give this a rest as dont think anyone needs their dirty laundry aired!! Fair enough Brodie. My input was not about the incident on the Coast in particular. More just a general aspect of the way individuals including ourselves handle certain situations. No dirty laundry being aired. As an aside, I put forward a question. Some years ago politician Trevor Mallard punched another politician Tau Henare in the face. Is it reasonable on a political forum to discuss that incident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Why should this person who allegedly did something be treated differently because they are involved in Harness Racing? @Blossom lady and others seem intent on holding Harness Racing to a higher standard of scrutiny than any other industry or even the rest of society. Where have the RIB and HRNZ been? If they are going to hold people to higher scrutiny as licensees then they need to provide support services and do more to prevent things. Otherwise you'll destroy the sport which sometimes I think is your motivation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 11 hours ago, Blossom lady said: Just saying the beach trainer has a history of aggressive behaviour. Guess you not as intelligent as you think you are if you couldn’t work that out!! What's your point with regard to Harness Racing? Please explain so someone of obvious limited intelligence, by your standards, can understand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 12 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: So? What's your point? W whats the W for chieg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, paleface adios said: whats the W for chieg? Blossom knows. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 12 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Blossom knows. did here nasty women went nuts on fb the other day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 This topic is closed for the time being. I've been informed that as with most of these types of incidents that it is much more complex than it may appear. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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