Tesio Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 19 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: How many times is too often? Te Akau for example have had two positives in how many decades? One environmental contamination and the other a staff administration error. Lance O'Sullivan - how many? Te Akau, 3 in 2yrs actually 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 13 minutes ago, Tesio said: Te Akau, 3 in 2yrs actually So apx 1 every 8 months.😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, Tesio said: Te Akau, 3 in 2yrs actually None of them deliberate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 3 hours ago, jess said: I don't care to engage in an argument or a slanging match with you Chief. We're each entitled to our opinions (although I imagine you're more entitled than many of the rest of us). And I'm mindful of where this forum's predecessor went wrong in the first place. An egotistical and objectionable "chief" who wielded his power over the forum by shouting down every opinion that didn't concur with his own, abusing & belittling the poster and playing favorites. But if you want an example - you could always start with a judiciary who "bought" a defence/mitigation that their derby horse was living on a dairy farm with the cows right before the big race thus inadvertently drinking cobalt-supplemented water. I wonder with your recent tours of top establishments - did you have to venture out in the range rover to visit the Friesians and Jersey cows in order to view the elite runners in the late stages of their preps for the upcoming Group 1 assignments .... The cobalt issue has been done to death but I guess some just keep being bitter about it. Many millions spent in OZ on the issue and most of the outcomes were in favour of the charged. Some just walked away rather than spend their life savings in righting a wrong. As for the trough - the cows and the horses weren't in the paddock at the same time. But eh the knockers don't give a shyte about detail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Green Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 38 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The cobalt issue has been done to death but I guess some just keep being bitter about it. Many millions spent in OZ on the issue and most of the outcomes were in favour of the charged. Some just walked away rather than spend their life savings in righting a wrong. As for the trough - the cows and the horses weren't in the paddock at the same time. But eh the knockers don't give a shyte about detail. Where are the cow paddocks in relation to the racing stables? Not being familiar with Matamata I don't know If the paddocks are behind the stables and the horses go out during the day it's certainly plausible but I have heard pub talk where people have said they don't have cows anywhere near the stables? like I said pub talk not evidence but a map of the stables layout/paddocks would certainly erase suspicion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 3 hours ago, jess said: I don't care to engage in an argument or a slanging match with you Chief. Sure doing a LOT of slinging mud if that is the case. Maybe live in a COLD area of Nz and used to throwing snowballs. 4 hours ago, jess said: I wonder with your recent tours of top establishments - did you have to venture out in the range rover to visit the Friesians and Jersey cows in order to view the elite runners in the late stages of their preps for the upcoming Group 1 assignments A nice dig at the leading stable in a sarcastic way as well . well done. What did you think about the story of the young lady (a stable foreman I think it was) that fed a horse the wrong thing recently that caused a positive at that stable too? . Shut em down you reckon ? transfer Imperatriz to Waller ? he could probably use Nature Strips old stall. Oh wait on... he had a positive swab and horses disqualified from positive 'feed' as well , and got off with a fine. Is nothing sacred anymore... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesio Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: None of them deliberate. The positive at Riccarton was 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: None of them deliberate. Heaven....forbid.😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 6 hours ago, Freda said: And who said anything about unsound horses? No one wants or needs those, although there are some, which with a bit of 'nursing' can still do their bit. There are examples of farm training, the use of water treadmills and trips to the beach that have worked wonders for such horses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 18 minutes ago, Tesio said: The positive at Riccarton was Misunderstanding of the rule and miscommunication. Why attempt to cheat for something that is easily detectable? That said they could have sought permission to use the drug in question on legitimate therapeutic grounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 7 hours ago, Freda said: And who said anything about unsound horses? No one wants or needs those, although there are some, which with a bit of 'nursing' can still do their bit. What else would you spend thousands on vet bills for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: As for the trough - the cows and the horses weren't in the paddock at the same time. But eh the knockers don't give a shyte about detail. Youre certainly a ready made sucker when it comes to this stuff CS, so you'll love their latest excuse . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 It will be an interesting one to hear by the sounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Huey said: Youre certainly a ready made sucker when it comes to this stuff CS, so you'll love their latest excuse . Tell us more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 27/01/2024 at 2:11 PM, Chief Stipe said: As for the trough - the cows and the horses weren't in the paddock at the same time. But eh the knockers don't give a shyte about detail. Ahhhh! Really? And so that makes it therefore believable? Are you at au fait with how a Group 1 runner's prep might go? Have you seen dairy cow pasture? Have you seen dairy cow fencing? Have you seen ....? Oh - never mind. There's none so blind as those who will not see ... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 13 minutes ago, jess said: Ahhhh! Really? And so that makes it therefore believable? Are you at au fait with how a Group 1 runner's prep might go? Have you seen dairy cow pasture? Have you seen dairy cow fencing? Have you seen ....? Oh - never mind. There's none so blind as those who will not see ... So what either way? You just keep believing what you want to. Won't be correct on change a thing. Try something different for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 26/01/2024 at 4:49 PM, Chief Stipe said: How many times is too often? Te Akau for example have had two positives in how many decades? One environmental contamination and the other a staff administration error. Lance O'Sullivan - how many? Didn't Scott have "Form" when he was with Mike Maroney? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 9 hours ago, Bloke said: Didn't Scott have "Form" when he was with Mike Maroney? What's that if true got to do with the latest rumoured alleged positive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 9 hours ago, Bloke said: Didn't Scott have "Form" when he was with Mike Maroney? He certainly did . I think a couple of times at least , all purely accidental though of course .... 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, Huey said: He certainly did . I think a couple of times at least , all purely accidental though of course .... 🤣 Your point? One charge was for the anti-inflammatory Ketoprofen which can be legitimately used but has a withholding period. That was 2010 at Wexford. It was administered outside the withholding period but the hirse didn't clear it within 100hrs. Happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 42 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: It was administered outside the wothilding period Was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 22 minutes ago, curious said: Was it? Would be stupid not to - wouldn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: Would be stupid not to - wouldn't it? Yes. But some are prone to test the limits and evidence from hearings doesn't always match internal hearsay from stables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 12 minutes ago, curious said: Yes. But some are prone to test the limits and evidence from hearings doesn't always match internal hearsay from stables. 14 years ago - who cares? So you'd rather believe internal hearsay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: 14 years ago - who cares? So you'd rather believe internal hearsay? On those sort of matters, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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