Yankiwi's Racing Calendar

[Chief Stipe]

30 minutes ago, Yankiwi said:

I sure have

...achieved what exactly?  Hint: thousands and thousands of words posted on a forum and purely collated statistics isn't an acheivement.

[Yankiwi]

Southland continues to perform well.

7 consecutive race meeting without a medium or major injury covering 611 starts.

 

Southland led the pack in Sept thru Nov 2023 when Mr. Dore claimed that Manukau Manawatu & Cambridge (or however it reads now) led the pack.

Southland also leads the pack over the entire racing season.

 

[aquaman]

Southland have the best sand and surface in the entire country. They also have the slowest track, so no surprise's there.

[Yankiwi]

Yankiwi's April Racing Calendar.

Major injury rates applied with the current 3rd quarter results.

 

Of note

• Otago RC club meeting will be held at Ascot.
• Auckland RC meetings will be held at Cambridge.

Also of note

• Christchurch rates have significantly decreased since last month's presentation but still remain above GRNZ's KPI target.
• Palmerston North rates have significantly increased since last month's presentation and are now well now above GRNZ's KPI target.
• Wanganui rates have significantly increased since last month's presentation yet remain below GRNZ's KPI target.

 

 

[Yankiwi]

On 9/03/2024 at 10:04 AM, Chapdog said:

Looks like we have had an update. Auckland has been dropped from leading the pack and now Manawatu have taken there place. 

 

And presto, here's GRNZ's attempt to justify a fraud occurring, months later.

https://www.grnz.co.nz/Files/Advisories/GRNZ January 2024 Quarterly Report - Final.pdf

[Chief Stipe]

5 minutes ago, Yankiwi said:

here's GRNZ's attempt to justify a fraud occurring

It can't be fraud if it was an honest error.

[Yankiwi]

5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

It can't be fraud if it was an honest error.

The way it panned out, it wreaked as a fraud.

Mr. Dore had first said "Manukau & Cambridge".

Once that was mentioned on BOAY, it was changed to "Manawatu & Cambridge".

Then when I started calling it fraud, it reverted back to "Manukau & Cambridge".

Then a couple of hour later it again was changed to "Manawatu & Cambridge".

 

Those same "verified" minutes, because as they claim they are not posted until they've been signed off, the .pdf linked on their website, still to this day, appears to be a "draft"

https://www.grnz.co.nz/Files/Animal Health Welfare Committee minutes/2023 12 13 AHWC Minutes - Draft (1).pdf 

 

nor has it been signed off.

Edited June 12, 2024 by Yankiwi

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Yankiwi said:

The way it panned out, it wreaked as a fraud.

Mr. Dore had first said "Manukau & Cambridge".

Once that was mentioned on BOAY, it was changed to "Manawatu & Cambridge".

Then when I started calling it fraud, it reverted back to "Manukau & Cambridge".

Then a couple of hour later it again was changed to "Manawatu & Cambridge".

 

Those same "verified" minutes, because as they claim they are not posted until they've been signed off, the .pdf linked on their website, still to this day, appears to be a "draft"

https://www.grnz.co.nz/Files/Animal Health Welfare Committee minutes/2023 12 13 AHWC Minutes - Draft (1).pdf 

 

nor has it been signed off.

It's not fraud.

[Chapdog]

On 3/14/2024 at 10:49 AM, aquaman said:

Southland have the best sand and surface in the entire country. They also have the slowest track, so no surprise's there.

Interesting the winning times coming out  of Ascot Park lately. They seem to be running around at least 0.5 of a second quicker. One wonders what has changed  as this was always a slow surface. Hopefully the quickening up doesn’t result in more injuries.

[aquaman]

12 hours ago, Chapdog said:

Interesting the winning times coming out  of Ascot Park lately. They seem to be running around at least 0.5 of a second quicker. One wonders what has changed  as this was always a slow surface. Hopefully the quickening up doesn’t result in more injuries.

Two things spring to mind, new box's and quality of dogs. The last year has seen regular appearances from strong Canterbury kennels, and this is set to grow. And the boxes look fairly new unlike the rubbishy ones they replaced. But first and foremost, quality of dog. Just my thoughts Chapdog.

[Yankiwi]

13 hours ago, Chapdog said:

Hopefully the quickening up doesn’t result in more injuries.

Ascot ~ safest track in the country, by far.

 

Season to date.

 

4th quarter (Current).

 

3rd quarter.

 

2nd quarter.

 

1st quarter.

[Chief Stipe]

Is it correct that if you compare Chazza's figures to those from NSW then NZ actually does considerably better with injury rates than the NSW jurisdiction.  Perhaps GRNZ are shooting themselves in the paw with unrealistic KPI's.

Nothing worse than a KPI that you can't manage by action i.e. one that has an inherent statistical rate regardless of management activity.

[Yankiwi]

5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Perhaps GRNZ are shooting themselves in the paw with unrealistic KPI's.

Quite possible.

I didn't set their KPI's, I only use them as the bar to compare against.

[Chief Stipe]

56 minutes ago, Yankiwi said:

Quite possible.

I didn't set their KPI's, I only use them as the bar to compare against.

Right so you have no idea what the natural injury rate of Greyhound Racing is?

[Chapdog]

On 6/24/2024 at 8:49 PM, Chapdog said:

Interesting the winning times coming out  of Ascot Park lately. They seem to be running around at least 0.5 of a second quicker. One wonders what has changed  as this was always a slow surface. Hopefully the quickening up doesn’t result in more injuries.

 

On 6/25/2024 at 9:55 AM, Yankiwi said:

Ascot ~ safest track in the country, by far.

 

Season to date.

 

4th quarter (Current).

 

3rd quarter.

 

2nd quarter.

 

1st quarter.

I guess the guess the faster track has had a massive effect on the injury rates. Would be interesting to know why things have gone down hill like they have. 

[Yankiwi]

I don't know what caused the rapid change.

I have heard that they've had to strip the top layer and sift it (possibly twice) so far because of rocks/stones in it. Also, that further delays getting the track back are expected. GRNZ did put a couple of notices out which have now disappeared & seemed to have gone silent on the matter publicly.

 

Here's 15 months of major injury stats.

Southland.

All Major (22+ days & death)

• 23/24 Q1  = 0.392%
• 23/24 Q2 = 0.670%
• 23/24 Q3 = 0.272%
• 23/24 Q4 = 0.372%
• 24/25 Q1  = 1.174%

 

Major 2+ (43+ days & death)

• 23/24 Q1  = 0.392%
• 23/24 Q2 = 0.096%
• 23/24 Q3 = 0.246%
• 23/24 Q4 = 0.106%
• 24/25 Q1  = 0.961%

[Yankiwi]

Not a good look for Southland.

The people that approved the recent refurb as "ready to return to racing" should be held responsible for that decision.

 

The job was to fix this,

 

and this is what was accomplished.

[Chief Stipe]

1 minute ago, Yankiwi said:

Not a good look for Southland.

The people that approved the recent refurb as "ready to return to racing" should be held responsible for that decision.

 

The job was to fix this,

 

and this is what was accomplished.

FFS go to your local tertiary institution and borrow a book about statistical variation.

You are comparing one sample that is 10 times the size of the other with no variance estimate.

Subsequently your assertion is a nonsense!!

[Yankiwi]

11 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

FFS go to your local tertiary institution and borrow a book about statistical variation.

You are comparing one sample that is 10 times the size of the other with no variance estimate.

Subsequently your assertion is a nonsense!!

Ok Chief, you defend GRNZ for their stellar performance on fixing the 24/25 Q1 seasons most dangerous track, only to return yesterday for the first race meet of the current quarter and realize twice as bad results as were occurring prior to them fixing it. If GRNZ hadn't been proactive & fixed it, the results would have been even worse.

Maybe you should explain to John McInerney Jr how he got it wrong, because he felt that the track wasn't safe and pulled all his starters out of the last two races on the card. He's been around a long time & should have been able to look past his dog that had to be put down after blowing out its radius/ulna in race 4. Then after that having a second dog ruptured a ligament in race 6. Race 10 saw the brand-new lure system fail, where another of John's dogs injured a right sartorius muscle & received a 21-day stand-down.

My failure to apply a variance estimate & his flawed decision to scratch all his dog from the last two races were the cause of all the problems.

https://www.grnz.co.nz/catch-the-action/16118/stewards-report.aspx

Edited November 27, 2024 by Yankiwi

[Chief Stipe]

24 minutes ago, Yankiwi said:

Ok Chief, you defend GRNZ for their stellar performance on fixing the 24/25 Q1 seasons most dangerous track, only to return yesterday for the first race meet of the current quarter and realize twice as bad results as were occurring prior to them fixing it. If GRNZ hadn't been proactive & fixed it, the results would have been even worse.

I'm not defending anyone.  

I'm just making the point that you are either deliberately manipulating statistics to prove your biased hypothesis.

Now that manipulation may be incompetence and a lack of understanding of statistics.  However I have given you the benefit of the doubt and suggest it is deliberate.

 

[Chief Stipe]

33 minutes ago, Yankiwi said:

Maybe you should explain to John McInerney Jr how he got it wrong, because he felt that the track wasn't safe and pulled all his starters out of the last two races on the card

So?  That doesn't negate my point about your statistics.  The track may well have been unsafe on that day for a variety of reasons but you are inferring a trend from one meeting.  Without presenting any measure of variance.  Therefore any conclusions you have drawn are worthless.

Do you have an official quote from McInerney why he scratched his dogs?  Or are you embellishing fiction?

[aquaman]

I do not need a quote from McInerney to know why he pulled his dogs, its obvious. Southland always run less than the race card. They always have lure faults, this has been happening since last century. The only thing that saved them was their surface, and that is the fluke of its availability locally. And for Johnathon to pull his dogs it must have been very bad.

[Chief Stipe]

30 minutes ago, aquaman said:

I do not need a quote from McInerney to know why he pulled his dogs, its obvious.

But you don't actually know.

Which is about as useful as @Yankiwi 's statistical analysis.

[aquaman]

18 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

But you don't actually know.

Which is about as useful as @Yankiwi 's statistical analysis.

Yes i do. Over

[Chief Stipe]

5 minutes ago, aquaman said:

Yes i do. Over

Did McInerney tell you first hand?  You inferred he didn’t so how do you know?

Why didn't he scratch all his dogs after Race 2?  Why wait until the end of the meeting?