Chief Stipe Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 13 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: That wasn't my claim. That is your claim. I claimed the code has no integrity & the judge should be held to account. For what? Where was the fraud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 9 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: Call it what you like. I suggest Sally & Bernie were nominated for the race with the trainer having no intentions of having those two actually starting the race. Similar things happen at just about every race meeting in the CD. Always the same kennel doing that race fixing. The top 4 finishers receive nearly all the stake money from the race. That's why the kennel only started four of their six entrants. Race fixing. So it is a different conspiracy theory. So you are saying they nominated 6 and withdrew 2 deliberately. Why weren't there 8 nominations? Not enough dogs? So now you're saying YKGC#476 isn't a conspiracy because the same kennel took home ALL the stake money. Why don't you take up trainspotting or even better twitching (Ornithology)? It'd get you out and about more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 On 1/06/2024 at 11:28 AM, Chief Stipe said: So it is a different conspiracy theory. So you are saying they nominated 6 and withdrew 2 deliberately. Why weren't there 8 nominations? Not enough dogs? So now you're saying YKGC#476 isn't a conspiracy because the same kennel took home ALL the stake money. Why don't you take up trainspotting or even better twitching (Ornithology)? It'd get you out and about more. To be fair its not a conspiracy feeling. The trainer in question used to brag about doing this at the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 20 minutes ago, BitofaLegend said: To be fair its not a conspiracy feeling. The trainer in question used to brag about doing this at the track. Evidence? Proof? Or just hearsay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitofaLegend Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Evidence? Proof? Or just hearsay? Heard this one with my own ears actually. Very common practice amongst larger trainers in NZ, nominating sprinters or injured dogs with no intention of racing them. The worst being a few years ago at palmy where the evidence was irrefutable. While it is against the rules and could technically be considered fixing, rib/riu have never really enforced it because its difficult to prove without hard evidence. Even moreso now that you can scratch a dog for 10 days without any questions. Probably easier to resolve this issue by allowing smaller fields though as for a long time, 4, 5, 6 dog fields were not allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 15 hours ago, BitofaLegend said: Very common practice amongst larger trainers in NZ, nominating sprinters or injured dogs with no intention of racing them. I didn't think that's what we were discussing. Wasn't the allegation that a dog had failed to pursue but the "friendly vet" diagnosed a torn ligament. 15 hours ago, BitofaLegend said: While it is against the rules and could technically be considered fixing, rib/riu have never really enforced it because its difficult to prove without hard evidence. Right so your issue is trainers nominating injured dogs so the race goes ahead. Seems the bigger issue is not enough nominations. The race Chazza ( @Yankiwi ) is banging on about had 4 starters but it isnt clear what he is banging on about. The scratchings or the deadheat due to photo malfunction or alleged race fixing. LOL race fixing a dog race seems an oxymoron! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 3 Author Share Posted June 3 (edited) Three different things going on here, so don't get confused Chief. Why's it always the same kennel? #1 Unpunished. #2 Have you ever seen anything like this happen during the running of a race? Stewards were blind to it, even though it was a $30k race, and they didn't even bother looking at what was left on the track, before the tractor did its grooming thing. #3 I can only recall one kennel ever to have a dog drop dead while still on the track, usually at the lure. Off the top of my head this would probably be the 5th or 6th time for this kennel. Must be very unlucky for dogs to be in that kennel, right? Other trainer's dogs don't drop dead on the track. 24/5/2024 Where's the follow up RIB? You know, the one that will say that the autopsy revealed it had a heart attack or something like that, then you can wash your hands of it & not bother questioning yourselves why it is ALWAYS the same kennel that it happens to. Edited June 3 by Yankiwi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 33 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: Three different things going on here, so don't get confused Chief. Most of your posts are confusing particularly your data analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 Nominate 6 dogs. Wait till the field is drawn. See that the race has been carded & your 6 are all the entrants. Scratch two of them, as there's no sense in risking their injury for the $50 for 5th or 6th place purse. Just pocket the $3800 & let the RIB ignore that it's a recuring event from the kennel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, Yankiwi said: Nominate 6 dogs. Wait till the field is drawn. See that the race has been carded & your 6 are all the entrants. Scratch two of them, as there's no sense in risking their injury for the $50 for 5th or 6th place purse. Just pocket the $3800 & let the RIB ignore that it's a recuring event from the kennel. But they would have collected all the dosh anyway. You can still have a TAB event with 4 or less starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 39 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: But they would have collected all the dosh anyway. You can still have a TAB event with 4 or less starters. My claim is that race fixing is going on. It's reoccurring and predictable yet completely ignored by the RIB. Your "But" statement doesn't address that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 2 hours ago, Yankiwi said: My claim is that race fixing is going on. It's reoccurring and predictable yet completely ignored by the RIB. Your "But" statement doesn't address that. How is it race fixing? Which dog pulled up? Who gained on the tote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 7 Author Share Posted June 7 On 3/06/2024 at 4:56 PM, Yankiwi said: Where's the follow up RIB? You know, the one that will say that the autopsy revealed it had a heart attack or something like that, then you can wash your hands of it & not bother questioning yourselves why it is ALWAYS the same kennel that it happens to. General: The Stewards have obtained the autopsy report from Massey University for the greyhound RAPIDO SCUD, who collapsed at the lure and was subsequently pronounced dead at the Wanganui GRC meeting on May 24, 2024. The report's findings were unable to determine a definitive cause of death. The RIB is happy to confirm they have nothing further to investigate here. They got the exact report from Massey that they were hoping for, just like all the other reports of dogs that drop dead on the track from the same kennel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 hour ago, Yankiwi said: The RIB is happy to confirm they have nothing further to investigate here. They got the exact report from Massey that they were hoping for, just like all the other reports of dogs that drop dead on the track from the same kennel. What is your hypothesis? If the autopsy is inconclusive what do you suggest they do? Make it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 Hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 2 hours ago, Yankiwi said: Hmmm. 😒 hmmm or herrrrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 24 Author Share Posted June 24 This used to be a problem, even remember when they would be declared the dog a non-runner & the starter/handler penalized. Today, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Geez Chazza you are working hard now to find something to moan about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chief Stipe Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 hour ago, Yankiwi said: Your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 27 Author Share Posted June 27 Since when is a trainer allowed to stand out in the middle of the track just a bit behind the traps, when a race is started? Isn't this under the control of the starter? The lure diver powered up the lure with someone standing in the middle of the track? So many questions that will have no good answers. Likely another one to slip between the cracks of the normally blind useless northern "senior" Steward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 27 Author Share Posted June 27 13 hours ago, Yankiwi said: Likely another one to slip between the cracks of the normally blind useless northern "senior" Steward. As predicted. No mention in the Stewards report. Apparently being on the track is only a "general Health & Safety concern" at Addington when the RIB is looking for evidence to come down hard on someone else. https://racingintegrityboard.org.nz/decisions/christchurch-grc-1-february-2024-heard-26-february-2024-at-addington-raymond-casey/ As for Mr Irving's "Facts" NZTR have no mandate whatsoever at Addington. GRNZ, yes. HRNZ, yes. NZTR, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 28 Author Share Posted June 28 On 24/06/2024 at 12:43 PM, Yankiwi said: Today, not so much. Do either one of you know the rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 48 minutes ago, Yankiwi said: Do either one of you know the rules? You're struggling Chazza. Why don't you go for a walk? Take your GAP dog with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted June 28 Author Share Posted June 28 16 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Take your GAP dog with you. Well obviously, I'm not the king of animal welfare either. I didn't even know that I had a pet greyhound. Throw the book at me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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