Chief Stipe Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 2 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: When the Awapuni Synthetic was gifted to the CD , I thought I read where a number of the 'bigger' trainers supported it , maybe couldn't look a gift horse etc but with racing folk a consensus well nigh impossible. Then you were misled. My understanding is the majority voted against it. There was little strategic thought given to what would work best for the CD. In that respect the Mesara report was a complete waste of time. The sooner administrators focus on where the rubber hits the road or in horse terns where the hoof hits the turf the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 19 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: It would be interesting to hear @curious's take on that. 1.14 1200s. I'd say a forgiving Good4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 17 minutes ago, curious said: 1.14 1200s. I'd say a forgiving Good4. Softer than an AWT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 12 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Softer than an AWT. Might have been a bit firm for some winter gallopers getting ready but certainly far from "hard". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 3 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Well its your big opportunity for input to track renovation Chief. The sand layer is about to be completed....you have a lot of knowledge about sand layers on race tracks.....and the grass seed is about to be sown and the drainage etc completed. They have weekly meetings on progress , talk to like minded track folk including Aussies and bounce ideas off each other to increase their chances of success. You need to get involved...don't wait till the first raceday and the inevitable problem arises and you bang on about what should have happened etc etc Its your chance to contribute....I'm absolutely confident that if you had some input to the 'new' Awapuni track , that track would become OK , proving what I often read on here. If you Change the way you look at things, the things you look at change ! When the Awapuni Synthetic was gifted to the CD , I thought I read where a number of the 'bigger' trainers supported it , maybe couldn't look a gift horse etc but with racing folk a consensus well nigh impossible. And always get a % of negative folk....I even heard the good Foxton track was considered by some as 'too hard' earlier in week . But I not one to gossip and know very little re CD other that regular trips to Trentham since I was a foetus ,and never lived in CD.But I always thought it had a silly number of tracks and clubs . Get that input in re Awapuni track Chief.......NOW ! You dribble so much garbage T4Eva I don't know how you breath. Too many tracks and half of them are currently closed. As for a consensus from big trainers well they just spout the company line and try not to upset the establishment, waste of time listening to them if you want the real lay of the land and most of them can't see beyond the end of their own horse truck anyway, so take everything they say with the inherent bias it is laced with! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 A delayed hearing in South Australia re a trainer putting the the racing Industry in 'poor light' confirms your comments Huey re "spouting the company line." I appreciate this is across the ditch but it is the same nonsense. The trainer has been around a considerable period of time. His crime was to tell the truth to a media rep. The question. "How is the track?' (Mt Gambier) The answer to which he was fined $2,000 "It's shit and they are racing accordingly." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 20 minutes ago, Wingman said: A delayed hearing in South Australia re a trainer putting the the racing Industry in 'poor light' confirms your comments Huey re "spouting the company line." I appreciate this is across the ditch but it is the same nonsense. The trainer has been around a considerable period of time. His crime was to tell the truth to a media rep. The question. "How is the track?' (Mt Gambier) The answer to which he was fined $2,000 "It's shit and they are racing accordingly." So $2,000 for saying "shit"? He should have said "the track was not up to standard and the horses raced accordingly. Those that delivered this track should be held accountable. I'll now go home and get up at 4am for the next 14 days and try again". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Would not matter. To criticise the standard of the track on a TV broadcast would be enough to be censored/fined. Should one complain the complaints committee would 'note' your complaint. Should one feel grievance then that would be escalated to the grievance committee, ...some faces look rather familiar. The grievance committee would take many months to put out their final decision which effectively would be 'No Change'. Outraged, one says this is no good enough, One wishes to complain. So let us direct you to the complaints committee is the hand wringing reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 2 hours ago, Huey said: You dribble so much garbage T4Eva I don't know how you breath. Too many tracks and half of them are currently closed. As for a consensus from big trainers well they just spout the company line and try not to upset the establishment, waste of time listening to them if you want the real lay of the land and most of them can't see beyond the end of their own horse truck anyway, so take everything they say with the inherent bias it is laced with! So big trainers don't mean what they say......interesting .....so let's not listen to what they say. Us keyboard warriors know the truth .......yeah right ! What are these tracks that are closed but would be of great benefit in current day and age ? Are they real, do they exist ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 On 4/5/2024 at 2:15 PM, TAB For Ever said: Well its your big opportunity for input to track renovation Chief. Its your chance to contribute. When the Awapuni Synthetic was gifted to the CD , Get that input in re Awapuni track Chief.......NOW ! As professionals are being paid to renovate the track I doubt suggestions are being sought at this stage. Awapuni AWT is hardly the gift that keeps giving, taking into account the cost of maintenance and upkeep. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 20 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: What are these tracks that are closed but would be of great benefit in current day and age ? I'll kick it off ... The closing of Feilding never made sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 2 hours ago, Special Agent said: I'll kick it off ... The closing of Feilding never made sense. It actually did make more sense than most of the others. The Feilding track was sold for good money because there was demand for it to be used for housing. The money was supposedly to be used to improve Awapuni. Unfortunately Awapuni just pissed it all away, which is certainly a lesson to us all. Many of the other closed tracks such as Motukarara, Rangiora, Waikouaiti, Blenheim, Hokitika, Winton, Wyndham and many others appear to have achieved nothing at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 So, do you think the demand for housing has waned? How many houses are on it now? It would have made more sense to sell Awapuni as it has houses right up to the facility and the land is worth more. Feilding is much more country vs Awapuni city. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 8 hours ago, Special Agent said: So, do you think the demand for housing has waned? How many houses are on it now? It would have made more sense to sell Awapuni as it has houses right up to the facility and the land is worth more. Feilding is much more country vs Awapuni city. It might surprise a lot of people these days but Awapuni was once a really good track. I used to love going to the races at Awapuni in the 80s, never missed a Saturday meeting. Saw the first Sires Produce run at set weights, which was quite an innovation at the time. Back in those days if anyone asked which track should we close? Awapuni or Feilding? The answer would have been unanimous. Feilding was getting quite tired as it had once been a decent track with quite big grandstands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 I agree with everything you are saying Doomed. Hindsight is wonderful if you learn from it. Plus it seems to be easy for some to spend others' money. Commonsense missing again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 16 hours ago, Special Agent said: As professionals are being paid to renovate the track I doubt suggestions are being sought at this stage. ...certainly not sought, and, if given regardless, would be completely ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 11 hours ago, Doomed said: It might surprise a lot of people these days but Awapuni was once a really good track. I used to love going to the races at Awapuni in the 80s, never missed a Saturday meeting. Saw the first Sires Produce run at set weights, which was quite an innovation at the time. Back in those days if anyone asked which track should we close? Awapuni or Feilding? The answer would have been unanimous. Feilding was getting quite tired as it had once been a decent track with quite big grandstands. That certainly may have been the case, however nowadays the decisions are more than obvious from a financial and operational perspective but those in charge are not making decisions based on anything but latent bias! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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