RIU's INCOMPETENCE in Meth case

[Thomass]

So these Meth cases..the 3 New Plymouth ones...now well known...but only just publically released...not by the RIU though...long story..involving the Vella Fellas neddy...and admitted cross contamination now

And the Kenny Rae one with ABSOLUT EXCELLENCIA...now deceased...info released here early on...But hidden by the RIU's ridiculous protocols for months now

...whereby Bloodstock Agents get notified...wtf is that about?....who pillow talk...and the Chinese whispers get all confused ffs

Anyway the hidden cases are now out...and it's DQ's all round...as should have happened within the first 2 weeks upon a POSITIVE swab...not just now...

So the hopeless RIU tested Kenny and all his workers...pulling their hair follicles out...no wonder Kenny's balding...wtf did they get his bit of hair from?

And clean forgot to test the boxes the Rae barn were using at Riccarton 

The positive was so minute...it should immediately have become apparent it was the result of cross contamination..I.e

Some dirty filthy mofo...on P...taking a piss in Kenny's box...yuck...

...the Feds did a mass drug test of Riccarton workers...and pinged two on meth...the dirty f'ers pissing in boxes...

All AE did was have a roll in the box....lick his itchy leg...and tests pos to P...that's all it takes

...and now the RIU suddenly get wise...ask around the World...and find other cases of cross contamination...

Not thinking such a minute amount would be the result of dirty pisses pissing in boxes...

read and weep

http://www.jca.org.nz/non-race-day-hearings/non-raceday-inquiry-riu-v-k-l-rae-and-k-williams-reserved-decision-dated-26-november-2018-chair-prof-g-hall

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[Newmarket]

Dr Molloy again???

[Poisoned Dwarf]

What's the bet that the 62 year-old Doctor decides upon yet another reinvention of his person-----he decides to go back to uni and study law for several years  and   goes from being a bartender to a barrister ?

[Poisoned Dwarf]

21 hours ago, Newmarket said:

Dr Molloy again???

as we read, he's probably eagerly showing his name off to his drinkers to prove he's still famous

 

[Newmarket]

1 hour ago, Poisoned Dwarf said:

What's the bet that the 62 year-old Doctor decides upon yet another reinvention of his person-----he decides to go back to uni and study law for several years  and   goes from being a bartender to a barrister ?

Not sure he can afford to after RIPPLE. 

[Poisoned Dwarf]

From a Facebook  racing chat site------ " Every body remember the very good apprentice in the South Island
Rode a lot of winners. Including the great show gate. Had the motto look after your cents and the dollars will look after them selves Became a very good vet. Now a successful business man in Auckland "

[Freda]

18 hours ago, Thomass said:

So these Meth cases..the 3 New Plymouth ones...now well known...but only just publically released...not by the RIU though...long story..involving the Vella Fellas neddy...and admitted cross contamination now

And the Kenny Rae one with ABSOLUT EXCELLENCIA...now deceased...info released here early on...But hidden by the RIU's ridiculous protocols for months now

...whereby Bloodstock Agents get notified...wtf is that about?....who pillow talk...and the Chinese whispers get all confused ffs

Anyway the hidden cases are now out...and it's DQ's all round...as should have happened within the first 2 weeks upon a POSITIVE swab...not just now...

So the hopeless RIU tested Kenny and all his workers...pulling their hair follicles out...no wonder Kenny's balding...wtf did they get his bit of hair from?

And clean forgot to test the boxes the Rae barn were using at Riccarton 

The positive was so minute...it should immediately have become apparent it was the result of cross contamination..I.e

Some dirty filthy mofo...on P...taking a piss in Kenny's box...yuck...

...the Feds did a mass drug test of Riccarton workers...and pinged two on meth...the dirty f'ers pissing in boxes...

All AE did was have a roll in the box....lick his itchy leg...and tests pos to P...that's all it takes

...and now the RIU suddenly get wise...ask around the World...and find other cases of cross contamination...

Not thinking such a minute amount would be the result of dirty pisses pissing in boxes...

read and weep

http://www.jca.org.nz/non-race-day-hearings/non-raceday-inquiry-riu-v-k-l-rae-and-k-williams-reserved-decision-dated-26-november-2018-chair-prof-g-hall

I think the prolonged time frame to bring theses charges is disgraceful...poor old A.E is dead now..!  and his D.Q and the re-rating of the horses behind,  what a shambles.

But the matter of un-supervised and unsecured 'visitors' stabling was going to be a problem any time,  more so now that testing is much more sensitive and accurate than in earlier times.

It is simply unacceptable for racehorses to be stabled in areas where pony clubs, and even just random overnight stayers, have had horses/ponies, and with no-one charged with cleaning the premises afterwards to an acceptable standard.

I realise that all costs money,  and is just another symptom of a disfunctional organisation that can't even get the basics right.

As was said in another topic,  if handicapping/date structures/programming - things that DON'T cost money - can't be organised in a better manner,  how could any thinking person recommend yet more funding be thrown the way of these 'managers'.?

As for the two caught meth positive with the provisional testing,  subsequent re-testing didn't prove a positive - which does not indicate innocence btw, trust me on that score - however, neither of those two had anything to do with Kenny's horses,  one is a trainer whose own charges didn't throw positives,  and the other is a stablehand - and the same applied there too.

[Newmarket]

Its a sham Freda, the amount of bullshit that people tell to get off these charges is amazing. 

No way should Dr Molloy be able to turn these cases into a out of control circus. That is why punters are turning their backs on nz racing, everyone is getting away with whatever they want. 

[Freda]

I hope you aren't casting aspersions on Kenny.....he is Innocent of any wrongdoing.

[Newmarket]

19 minutes ago, Freda said:

I hope you aren't casting aspersions on Kenny.....he is Innocent of any wrongdoing.

By the results over the last 10 years, how many out of the hundreds of cases, in both codes have trainers been charged, and when i say charged, i mean impacted on their earnings?? 

Its a sham, trainers know they can bullshit their way around it.

[Kopia]

18 minutes ago, Freda said:

I hope you aren't casting aspersions on Kenny.....he is Innocent of any wrongdoing.

Once upon a time in a land far away...no its not a fairy tale, remember when to some extent the buck stops at the top? What we have in NZ, and its endemic, not just racing, is a total lack of responsibilty. You've got a guy who supposedly is the 'General Manager' of the Racing Incomptetence Unit who just sits on his ass and fiddles...these matters should have been dealt with months ago, no wonder the people at ground level who actually do the work are totally frustrated/pissed off with Godber...

Still, when you look at whats going on with this clown Lees-Galloway as a Govt Minister...now it transpires that he bullshitted when he said he wasn't aware of the criminal history of the Czech criminal who should never have been allowed into NZ..what really took place was that Lees-Galloway coudn't be bothered reading the information he was given-which included all the information he needed. Ardern should demand his resignation-but she won't-too PC, might hurt his feelings..more to the point it shows how weak she really is, talk about 'alice looking into the looking glass..how wonderful you are'!  I mention this as there is a correlation between the RIU and this namby pamby bunch calling themselves a govt...its called a lack of accountability.

[Boxie]

1 hour ago, Newmarket said:

Its a sham Freda, the amount of bullshit that people tell to get off these charges is amazing. 

No way should Dr Molloy be able to turn these cases into a out of control circus. That is why punters are turning their backs on nz racing, everyone is getting away with whatever they want. 

Molloy is supposedly a vet he isn't a biochemist nor an organic chemist.  If expert evidence is required where is the head vet? 

Can any REAL expert tell me how you can contaminate a horse vicariously through the surrounding environment?

Wouldn't it involve someone smoking the shyte while hugging the horse or someone passing in the horses feed bucket?

[hesi]

Yeah

Because he is an expert on people dwelling under bridges, it would be like asking him to represent the homeless 

[curious]

46 minutes ago, Boxie said:

Molloy is supposedly a vet he isn't a biochemist nor an organic chemist.  If expert evidence is required where is the head vet? 

Can any REAL expert tell me how you can contaminate a horse vicariously through the surrounding environment?

Wouldn't it involve someone smoking the shyte while hugging the horse or someone passing in the horses feed bucket?

All vets have, at the very least, comprehensive education in biochemistry at undergraduate level. That goes without saying, and most will have further professional development in that area. The head vet was at least cited here if you actually bother to read the case. Dr. Molloy is particularly well informed in these areas.

[59] In his oral submission Dr Molloy drew the Committee’s attention to the NZTR “Advisement to Trainers” issued on 2 November 2018 which warned trainers of the possibility that race day boxes could be contaminated with human medications due to persons urinating in the boxes while on medication. Dr Molloy said this needed to be considered in the context that two persons not employed by the respondent but who were known to be using the same public stables as the Rae partnership had tested “non-negative” to methamphetamine.

[curious]

12 minutes ago, curious said:

All vets have, at the very least, comprehensive education in biochemistry at undergraduate level. That goes without saying, and most will have further professional development in that area. The head vet was at least cited here if you actually bother to read the case. Dr. Molloy is particularly well informed in these areas.

[59] In his oral submission Dr Molloy drew the Committee’s attention to the NZTR “Advisement to Trainers” issued on 2 November 2018 which warned trainers of the possibility that race day boxes could be contaminated with human medications due to persons urinating in the boxes while on medication. Dr Molloy said this needed to be considered in the context that two persons not employed by the respondent but who were known to be using the same public stables as the Rae partnership had tested “non-negative” to methamphetamine.

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[59] In his oral submission Dr Molloy drew the Committee’s attention to the NZTR “Advisement to Trainers” issued on 2 November 2018 which warned trainers of the possibility that race day boxes could be contaminated with human medications due to persons urinating in the boxes while on medication. The notice referred to a recent New Zealand case, and that Dr Grierson had confirmed that there had been cases overseas where this had occurred. Dr Molloy said this needed to be considered in the context that two persons not employed by the respondent but who were known to be using the same public stables as the Rae partnership had tested “non-negative” to methamphetamine.

[MaltedMilkshake]

What this whole case highlights is the complete lack of accountability and professionalism of both industry administration and participants.  

How can Club owned stable facility be left in such a state? As the Landlord, it’s their responsibility to ensure the facility is clean, safe and provides visiting licensed trainers with a good, clean working environment for their staff and horses. Mr Mills and the CJC should be held accountable for offering trainers a second rate facility without the necessary security arrangements the industry requires. 

However the training partnership is accountable as well. This partnership has 3 licensed people and yet from accounts given to the RIU,  no licensed person from the partnership was with the horse during its time at Riccarton. Why would you leave a horse at a facility with no apparent security and a questionable state of cleanliness? And because you’re not there, you leave that decision to  stable staff? Mr Rae admitted to the RIU he left 5horses in the care of his staff to take to the CJC race meeting. 

And the RIU - have used evidence from overseas cases to assist them with their findings - interesting.  In addition, Why did they not sanction the CJC for their inadequate premises or remind the Rae Partnership of their obligations regarding security and horse welfare. 

But in the big scheme of things, the professionalism of the racing industry  needs to come up a notch (or 3). 

[hesi]

2 hours ago, curious said:

All vets have, at the very least, comprehensive education in biochemistry at undergraduate level. That goes without saying, and most will have further professional development in that area. The head vet was at least cited here if you actually bother to read the case. Dr. Molloy is particularly well informed in these areas.

[59] In his oral submission Dr Molloy drew the Committee’s attention to the NZTR “Advisement to Trainers” issued on 2 November 2018 which warned trainers of the possibility that race day boxes could be contaminated with human medications due to persons urinating in the boxes while on medication. Dr Molloy said this needed to be considered in the context that two persons not employed by the respondent but who were known to be using the same public stables as the Rae partnership had tested “non-negative” to methamphetamine.

I thought BVSc at Massey, only did Year 1 Biochemistry(12 credits)

[Thomass]

5 hours ago, Freda said:

I think the prolonged time frame to bring theses charges is disgraceful...poor old A.E is dead now..!  and his D.Q and the re-rating of the horses behind,  what a shambles.

But the matter of un-supervised and unsecured 'visitors' stabling was going to be a problem any time,  more so now that testing is much more sensitive and accurate than in earlier times.

It is simply unacceptable for racehorses to be stabled in areas where pony clubs, and even just random overnight stayers, have had horses/ponies, and with no-one charged with cleaning the premises afterwards to an acceptable standard.

I realise that all costs money,  and is just another symptom of a disfunctional organisation that can't even get the basics right.

As was said in another topic,  if handicapping/date structures/programming - things that DON'T cost money - can't be organised in a better manner,  how could any thinking person recommend yet more funding be thrown the way of these 'managers'.?

As for the two caught meth positive with the provisional testing,  subsequent re-testing didn't prove a positive - which does not indicate innocence btw, trust me on that score - however, neither of those two had anything to do with Kenny's horses,  one is a trainer whose own charges didn't throw positives,  and the other is a stablehand - and the same applied there too.

Exactly, as soon as the first swab comes through it should be instant DQ,

In the highly unusual event that a swab was contaminated, as in Jelly Williams case....or the B sample is negative..which NEVER happens...give them back the placing...

...These 4 horses were always going to be DQ'd eventually...to have them all running around with fake news ratings is ridiculous...and the rightful recipients of the prize money keep waiting ffs

Freda, I heard Kenny was told the level was high...do you know if that's true?  If not could you ask Kenny?

If correct its more fake news from the RIU...imagine being told that...then finding out it was sfa of f all...

Were the two other testing positive re tested via the hair sample...which shows use from 3 months ago...rather than the 48hr urine

Why they didn't hair test Cropp more often is anyone's guess

Also did these two testing positive not have use of Rae's boxes at times?

Cheers

[Freda]

23 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Exactly, as soon as the first swab comes through it should be instant DQ,

In the highly unusual event that a swab was contaminated, as in Jelly Williams case....or the B sample is negative..which NEVER happens...give them back the placing...

...These 4 horses were always going to be DQ'd eventually...to have them all running around with fake news ratings is ridiculous...and the rightful recipients of the prize money keep waiting ffs

Freda, I heard Kenny was told the level was high...do you know if that's true?  If not could you ask Kenny?

If correct its more fake news from the RIU...imagine being told that...then finding out it was sfa of f all...

Were the two other testing positive re tested via the hair sample...which shows use from 3 months ago...rather than the 48hr urine

Why they didn't hair test Cropp more often is anyone's guess

Also did these two testing positive not have use of Rae's boxes at times?

Cheers

The level was [ apparently ] very low.

The other two who tested ' non-negative '  produced a urine sample in a random testing at the track one morning.

Those same two were nowhere near Kenny's stabling,  and nowhere near the horse concerned,  any more than any one of us who could have administered a friendly pat on the way past the tie-ups at the track.

All those known to have been anywhere near the stabling over a period of weeks were hair tested.  All negative.

For the record,  anyone, at anytime,  can walk in off the street through the visitor's area.

Stables for the permanent trainers can be,  and are, locked.

Edited November 28, 2018 by Freda

[Thomass]

3 hours ago, curious said:

All vets have, at the very least, comprehensive education in biochemistry at undergraduate level. That goes without saying, and most will have further professional development in that area. The head vet was at least cited here if you actually bother to read the case. Dr. Molloy is particularly well informed in these areas.

[59] In his oral submission Dr Molloy drew the Committee’s attention to the NZTR “Advisement to Trainers” issued on 2 November 2018 which warned trainers of the possibility that race day boxes could be contaminated with human medications due to persons urinating in the boxes while on medication. Dr Molloy said this needed to be considered in the context that two persons not employed by the respondent but who were known to be using the same public stables as the Rae partnership had tested “non-negative” to methamphetamine.

Some people just can't keep their heads down

Im surprised he has the audacity to still show his big noggin at these things after being badly shown up in the David Walker case

I guess when you do freebies the poor recipients have to put up with b/s 'lay advocates'...

The 'lays' here have to have training...did he get that or is he a gay pretender?

[Thomass]

7 minutes ago, Freda said:

The level was [ apparently ] very low.

The other two who tested ' non-negative '  produced a urine sample in a random testing at the track one morning.

Those same two were nowhere near Kenny's stabling,  and nowhere near the horse concerned,  any more than any one of us who could have administered a friendly pat on the way past the tie-ups at the track.

All those known to have been anywhere near the stabling over a period of weeks were hair tested.  All negative.

For the record,  anyone, at anytime,  can walk in off the street through the visitor's area.

Stables for the permanent trainers can be,  and are, locked.

Cheers Freda

So this was the horse level, I heard the RIU originally told Kenny it was on the high side..which turned out, as you say, not to be true...5 & 8 ngs 

Its remarkable they didnt do smear testing on the walls of any boxes!

[Newmarket]

3 hours ago, curious said:

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[59] In his oral submission Dr Molloy drew the Committee’s attention to the NZTR “Advisement to Trainers” issued on 2 November 2018 which warned trainers of the possibility that race day boxes could be contaminated with human medications due to persons urinating in the boxes while on medication. The notice referred to a recent New Zealand case, and that Dr Grierson had confirmed that there had been cases overseas where this had occurred. Dr Molloy said this needed to be considered in the context that two persons not employed by the respondent but who were known to be using the same public stables as the Rae partnership had tested “non-negative” to methamphetamine.

Is it just me, but reading that first line tells the real story. 

The words- ORAL,  DR MOLLOY? 

[Thomass]

Just hilarious yesterday listening to Matt pretty boy in nappies Cross interview Gobder 

"Whats happened during the week Micky"

"Oh very quiet Matty...just a few whip violations...that's all"

NOTHING about the completed Meth case...or the disgraceful whip violation by an apprentice...

Or J Riddell's lamentable rap sheet, not to mention J Fawcett's..

Its all tickety boo hoo...if you're under a f in carpet

[Kopia]

26 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Just hilarious yesterday listening to Matt pretty boy in nappies Cross interview Gobder 

"Whats happened during the week Micky"

"Oh very quiet Matty...just a few whip violations...that's all"

NOTHING about the completed Meth case...or the disgraceful whip violation by an apprentice...

Or J Riddell's lamentable rap sheet, not to mention J Fawcett's..

Its all tickety boo hoo...if you're under a f in carpet

Well Tommo we're still waiting for your best friend win to do something....anything...after his 'groundbreaking' release of the propped-up report from his aussie mate...one of the 'recommendations' was a review of riu...which is long overdue, given their incompetence, money wasting, favourable treatment of 'special' jockeys and drivers....this could have been initiated in day one after the big reveal in Hamilton...still nothing,,? What, Winnie and his coalition mates ( GREENS and Labour) not getting on?